Predators and deer
01-20-2009 | 04:08 PM
#62
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Predators and deer
Wrong again sport. The PGC didn't change to DPSM until 2003 and both HR and ARs were implemented before that.
Table 2. Winter deer density goals and estimated winter densities from Jan
1999 through Jan 2003 for Pennsylvania. Wildlife Management Unit (WMU) 5D
is excluded due to limited harvest data.
Post-hunt deer density estimate (Jan)b
WMU Goala 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003
1A 9 20 23 23 24 26
1B 12 22 25 25 25 25
2A 13 36 39 38 37 36
2B 10 24 26 28 28 30
2C 15 23 26 27 30 31
2D 14 31 33 31 31 29
2E 14 25 26 25 25 24
2F 17 27 30 28 27 24
2G 15 14 15 14 13 12
3A 15 23 26 28 30 31
3B 13 21 24 26 28 29
3C 14 24 27 28 28 28
3D 13 16 19 21 22 23
4A 15 25 28 28 29 30
4B 11 20 23 24 27 29
4C 12 20 23 24 25 26
4D 14 20 23 22 23 24
4E 11 19 21 22 23 23
5A 8 14 16 18 19 21
5B 5 13 15 16 17 17
5C 6 17 18 19 19 19
aEstimated population density that can be supported during winter without
over-browsing forest habitats, estimated from forest composition data.
bMinimum deer density estimates derived from simulation modeling.
Table 2. Winter deer density goals and estimated winter densities from Jan
1999 through Jan 2003 for Pennsylvania. Wildlife Management Unit (WMU) 5D
is excluded due to limited harvest data.
Post-hunt deer density estimate (Jan)b
WMU Goala 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003
1A 9 20 23 23 24 26
1B 12 22 25 25 25 25
2A 13 36 39 38 37 36
2B 10 24 26 28 28 30
2C 15 23 26 27 30 31
2D 14 31 33 31 31 29
2E 14 25 26 25 25 24
2F 17 27 30 28 27 24
2G 15 14 15 14 13 12
3A 15 23 26 28 30 31
3B 13 21 24 26 28 29
3C 14 24 27 28 28 28
3D 13 16 19 21 22 23
4A 15 25 28 28 29 30
4B 11 20 23 24 27 29
4C 12 20 23 24 25 26
4D 14 20 23 22 23 24
4E 11 19 21 22 23 23
5A 8 14 16 18 19 21
5B 5 13 15 16 17 17
5C 6 17 18 19 19 19
aEstimated population density that can be supported during winter without
over-browsing forest habitats, estimated from forest composition data.
bMinimum deer density estimates derived from simulation modeling.
01-20-2009 | 04:23 PM
#63
Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
RE: Predators and deer
Wrong again sport. The PGC didn't change to DPSM until 2003 and both HR and ARs were implemented before that.
from the PGC site:
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=460&Q=174562&
2003 – Antler restrictions are implemented for hunting seasons to allow more bucks to reach older age classes statewide. Much of the state follows a three points to one antler rule; 10 western counties have a four points to one antler rule. Antlered deer taken in Special Regulations Area counties must have a spike at least three inches long, or an antler with at least two points.
01-20-2009 | 04:35 PM
#65
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Predators and deer
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
You really aren't even half as smart as you think you are. The 2002 buck harvest dropped from 203K in 2001 to 165K in 2002 due to ARs.
You really aren't even half as smart as you think you are. The 2002 buck harvest dropped from 203K in 2001 to 165K in 2002 due to ARs.
again, see the link above!! BTW, WTF is your point anyway? Not every aspect of the plan was instituted on the same day there Blueboy. My point was that the shift from DPFSM to DPSM was one part of the many changes made within a short period of time.
01-20-2009 | 04:52 PM
#67
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Predators and deer
Whether it was 2002 or 2003, as the PGC website says by the way, only a brain dead moron would carry this any further....
Bet you did a lot of "did not/did too's" with your siblings till mommy wanted to scream didnt you?
Go ahead, have your last word, I know you wont be able to resist
I'm done with this little exercise in didnot didtoo
Bet you did a lot of "did not/did too's" with your siblings till mommy wanted to scream didnt you?
Go ahead, have your last word, I know you wont be able to resist
I'm done with this little exercise in didnot didtoo
01-20-2009 | 05:15 PM
#69
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Predators and deer
To get back on topic
It's both interesting and relevant to note that half of the adult doe mortality study was done in the Quehanna wild area, the samearea as half of the fawn mortality study.
This is the area with very poor habitat.Quehanna had higher predator mortality in the fawn study than PennValley and yet hunter mortality on the adult does wasextremely low in Quehanna.
Even if we concede that there are some hunters who are reluctant to shoot collared deer, The very very low rtae of hunter mortality on does in Quehannakind of supports RSB's contention that mother nature finds a way to take care of controlling populations in poor habitat when hunters don't.
It's both interesting and relevant to note that half of the adult doe mortality study was done in the Quehanna wild area, the samearea as half of the fawn mortality study.
This is the area with very poor habitat.Quehanna had higher predator mortality in the fawn study than PennValley and yet hunter mortality on the adult does wasextremely low in Quehanna.
Even if we concede that there are some hunters who are reluctant to shoot collared deer, The very very low rtae of hunter mortality on does in Quehannakind of supports RSB's contention that mother nature finds a way to take care of controlling populations in poor habitat when hunters don't.
01-20-2009 | 05:24 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Predators and deer
You truly are amazingly ignorant. even after the dramatic herd reduction in 2g ,it still took a harvest of 11,700 deer by hunters just to keep the herd stable. Even the village idiot would recognize that the harvest by hunters is controlling the herd, that is ,except for BTB and RSB.
