RE: Predators and deer
 

DPFSM has not been used since AR/HR began

RE: Predators and deer
 

Wrong again sport. The PGC didn't change to DPSM until 2003 and both HR and ARs were implemented before that.

Table 2. Winter deer density goals and estimated winter densities from Jan
1999 through Jan 2003 for Pennsylvania. Wildlife Management Unit (WMU) 5D
is excluded due to limited harvest data.
Post-hunt deer density estimate (Jan)b
WMU Goala 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003
1A 9 20 23 23 24 26
1B 12 22 25 25 25 25
2A 13 36 39 38 37 36
2B 10 24 26 28 28 30
2C 15 23 26 27 30 31
2D 14 31 33 31 31 29
2E 14 25 26 25 25 24
2F 17 27 30 28 27 24
2G 15 14 15 14 13 12
3A 15 23 26 28 30 31
3B 13 21 24 26 28 29
3C 14 24 27 28 28 28
3D 13 16 19 21 22 23
4A 15 25 28 28 29 30
4B 11 20 23 24 27 29
4C 12 20 23 24 25 26
4D 14 20 23 22 23 24
4E 11 19 21 22 23 23
5A 8 14 16 18 19 21
5B 5 13 15 16 17 17
5C 6 17 18 19 19 19
aEstimated population density that can be supported during winter without
over-browsing forest habitats, estimated from forest composition data.
bMinimum deer density estimates derived from simulation modeling.

RE: Predators and deer
 

Wrong again Blueboy!!! It gets so tiresome correcting your lies but here we go....


from the PGC site:
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=460&Q=174562&

RE: Predators and deer
 

You really aren't even half as smart as you think you are. The 2002 buck harvest dropped from 203K in 2001 to 165K in 2002 due to ARs.

RE: Predators and deer
 

Not according to the PGC archives again, see the link above!!

BTW, WTF is your point anyway? Not every aspect of the plan was instituted on the same day there Blueboy. My point was that the shift from DPFSM to DPSM was one part of the many changes made within a short period of time.

RE: Predators and deer
 

The same statement would be true today and it still wouldn't tell you when ARs were implemented. Only someone that is brain dead wouldn't know ARs were implemented in 2002 ,not 2003.

RE: Predators and deer
 

Whether it was 2002 or 2003, as the PGC website says by the way, only a brain dead moron would carry this any further....

Bet you did a lot of "did not/did too's" with your siblings till mommy wanted to scream didnt you?

Go ahead, have your last word, I know you wont be able to resist:D

I'm done with this little exercise in didnot didtoo

RE: Predators and deer
 

Thanks for admitting you were,WRONG AGAIN!

RE: Predators and deer
 

To get back on topic

It's both interesting and relevant to note that half of the adult doe mortality study was done in the Quehanna wild area, the samearea as half of the fawn mortality study.

This is the area with very poor habitat.Quehanna had higher predator mortality in the fawn study than PennValley and yet hunter mortality on the adult does wasextremely low in Quehanna.

Even if we concede that there are some hunters who are reluctant to shoot collared deer, The very very low rtae of hunter mortality on does in Quehannakind of supports RSB's contention that mother nature finds a way to take care of controlling populations in poor habitat when hunters don't.

RE: Predators and deer
 

You truly are amazingly ignorant. even after the dramatic herd reduction in 2g ,it still took a harvest of 11,700 deer by hunters just to keep the herd stable. Even the village idiot would recognize that the harvest by hunters is controlling the herd, that is ,except for BTB and RSB.