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sproulman 01-21-2009 11:25 AM
RE: Predators and deer
 
ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Explain to everyone how hunters can continuously harvest over 14 deer per square mile, year after year, around the city streets of Pittsburgh but the big woods unit of 2G can’t sustain harvests of more then 3 deer per square mile.
Limited hunter access in 2B prevents hunters from harvesting enough doe to control the herd. AS a result the herd increases or remains stable at much higher densities than in 2G,which allows hunters to have a high sustainable harvest rate that is much higher than in 2G,where high doe harvests reduced the herd.
SGL252 has best habitat a deer could ever have but very few deer .open to public

yet 5 miles away, land is private and my friend said he saw 125 deer there .but closed to public.:eek:

explorer_Jack 01-21-2009 12:02 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Explain to everyone how hunters can continuously harvest over 14 deer per square mile, year after year, around the city streets of Pittsburgh but the big woods unit of 2G can’t sustain harvests of more then 3 deer per square mile.
Limited hunter access in 2B prevents hunters from harvesting enough doe to control the herd. AS a result the herd increases or remains stable at much higher densities than in 2G,which allows hunters to have a high sustainable harvest rate that is much higher than in 2G,where high doe harvests reduced the herd.
Abosutely the correct and only answer. I seen the tag numbers and the areas in general. There is no other reason.
How many deer was harvested from that area? They are trying like hell to lower the deer herd in the metro areas and are giving out outrages number of tags. Now the areas that have these large doe tags given out,Are these the areas that allow baiting of deer to draw the animals off of posted areas?

That was for the south eastern part of the state near philly.
Maybe this year they will promote this to the south western part of the state.

One more thing to ask, How in the world can the deer herd survive if the land wasn't posted when 59,000 tags was given out each year for how many years? No way does food supply have anything to do with it. It does not add up one bit. It is because of the limited acces as bluebird said.

explorer_Jack 01-21-2009 12:35 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
Is there another area that has so called good habitat as around the Pittsburgh area? And what are those numbers of deer harvested and the amount of doe tags given out for those areas for comparison?

bluebird2 01-21-2009 12:56 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
2006 Harvest Data and antlerless allocations expressed in DPSM

Rank………WMU……..Ant’less……….Antler ed……….Total harvest……..lic/ant’less

1……………2B…………12.11………….4. 26…………….16.36……………..4.12
2……………2A………….9.39…………..4 .47…………….13.86……………..3.24
3……………2D………….8.20…………..4 .38…………….12.59……………..2.75
4……………5C………….7.42…………..3 .55…………….10.97……………..4.91
5……………1A………….7.15…………..3 .14…………….10.29……………..3.18
6……………2E…………..5.87………….. 4.28…………….10.15……………..2.84
7……………3A………….5.84…………..2 .98………………8.82……………..3.30
8……………1B………….5.67…………... 3.21……………...8.88……………..2.50
9……………4E………….5.19…………... 2.36……………...7.55……………..4.22
10…………..4C………….4.91…………..3 .37………………8.28……………..4.38
11…………..5D………….4.91…………..1 .56………………6.46……………..4.88
12…………..3B………….4.71…………..2 .89………………7.60……………..4.06
13…………..4A………….4.49…………..3 .40………………7.89……………..3.72
14…………..3C………….4.26…………..3 .10………………7.37……………..2.93
15…………..4B………….4.16…………..3 .15………………7.31……………..4.70
16…………..5B………….4.12…………..2 .53………………6.65……………..4.65
17…………..5A………….4.00…………..1 .69………………5.69……………..4.81
18…………..2C………….3.90…………..2 .90………………6.81……………..4.05
19…………..4D………….3.61…………..2 .48………………6.08……………..4.04
20…………..3D………….3.39…………..2 .29………………5.68……………..5.14
21…………..2F…………..3.32………….. 2.99………………6.31……………..3.50
22…………..2G………….1.12…………..1 .75………………2.87……………..4.13

WMU 5C has great habitat and more tags PSM than 2B , but lower harvest rates because we have a lot of ground that is open to hunting ,even though it might be posted.

sproulman 01-21-2009 01:05 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
ORIGINAL: bluebird2

2006 Harvest Data and antlerless allocations expressed in DPSM

Rank………WMU……..Ant’less……….Antler ed……….Total harvest……..lic/ant’less

1……………2B…………12.11………….4. 26…………….16.36……………..4.12
2……………2A………….9.39…………..4 .47…………….13.86……………..3.24
3……………2D………….8.20…………..4 .38…………….12.59……………..2.75
4……………5C………….7.42…………..3 .55…………….10.97……………..4.91
5……………1A………….7.15…………..3 .14…………….10.29……………..3.18
6……………2E…………..5.87………….. 4.28…………….10.15……………..2.84
7……………3A………….5.84…………..2 .98………………8.82……………..3.30
8……………1B………….5.67…………... 3.21……………...8.88……………..2.50
9……………4E………….5.19…………... 2.36……………...7.55……………..4.22
10…………..4C………….4.91…………..3 .37………………8.28……………..4.38
11…………..5D………….4.91…………..1 .56………………6.46……………..4.88
12…………..3B………….4.71…………..2 .89………………7.60……………..4.06
13…………..4A………….4.49…………..3 .40………………7.89……………..3.72
14…………..3C………….4.26…………..3 .10………………7.37……………..2.93
15…………..4B………….4.16…………..3 .15………………7.31……………..4.70
16…………..5B………….4.12…………..2 .53………………6.65……………..4.65
17…………..5A………….4.00…………..1 .69………………5.69……………..4.81
18…………..2C………….3.90…………..2 .90………………6.81……………..4.05
19…………..4D………….3.61…………..2 .48………………6.08……………..4.04
20…………..3D………….3.39…………..2 .29………………5.68……………..5.14
21…………..2F…………..3.32………….. 2.99………………6.31……………..3.50
22…………..2G………….1.12…………..1 .75………………2.87……………..4.13

WMU 5C has great habitat and more tags PSM than 2B , but lower harvest rates because we have a lot of ground that is open to hunting ,even though it might be posted.
boy, WMU2G IS AT BOTTOM, WORST IN STATE

DougE 01-21-2009 01:16 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
yep,and there's still pretty good hunting is you hunt where the deer should be.

bluebird2 01-21-2009 01:34 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
Then the hunting in 2F must be terrific, WMU 4E must be fabulous, 5C must be out of this world and 2B must be one big deer farm!!:)

DougE 01-21-2009 01:49 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
I don't disagree with that at all.That's why I laugh at all the belly aching.Seriously,some of you guys are hunting in areas that are harvesting more dpsm than we have.I have no problems finding plenty of deer to harveston public land in 2G.I can't believe some of you guys can cry about no deer.

bluebird2 01-21-2009 01:54 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
You have thousands of acres to hunt with very few hunters to compete with. Others are limited to a few hundred acres with lots of competition and areas where the deer are not accessible.

explorer_Jack 01-21-2009 02:34 PM
RE: Predators and deer
 
If you could have access to 90% of 2B to hunt. I promise you,With 59,000 doe tags handed out, That area would be like 2G. If there is so many deer in 2B,How can the habitat not be bad there when you have more deer than any other WMUs? At allowing over 60,000 doe tags for that WMU alone should tell you something. Do they have magic plants that regenerate after eating so fast that the deer population can not do enough damage to their habitat. Think about it for a moment. 60,000 tags and the habitat is in excellent condition. Hows that possible if there is that many deer that they can give out 60,000 tags a year for that WMU?


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