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RE: Pa Antler Restrictions

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Once the law suit you and your buddies are trying to float are a thing of the past I suspect additional data on this topic will be forthcoming.

So you admit that the PGC is witholding the results of antler data collected post AR, until after the USP lawsuit? Hmmm...interesting.

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The fact is you really don’t even know which areas of the state really influence the sample sizes today compared to the past let alone which had or have the highest or lowest breeding rates.
You simply make far to many assumptions about way too many things of which you know very little about, and that is about all I can say on the topic for the time being.

I thought all of that data was in the annual wildlife reports. So you have "inside" knowledge not available to the general public, now? You really are a riot. Nice copp out.:D

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions

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ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel

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Once the law suit you and your buddies are trying to float are a thing of the past I suspect additional data on this topic will be forthcoming.

So you admit that the PGC is witholding the results of antler data collected post AR, until after the USP lawsuit? Hmmm...interesting.

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I thought all of that data was in the annual wildlife reports. So you have "inside" knowledge not available to the general public, now? You really are a riot. Nice copp out.:D

THERE IS NEW LAW THAT JUST WENT IN EFFECT,ITS CALLED OPEN RECORD LAW.

now records have to be given out and no reason can be asked why you want them.

do a goggle of OPEN RECORD LAW ,its going to change a lot on what can be obtained now in local/state.

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions

It was obvious that you dropped out after praising BTB's example that showed it woudl take a total reversal of sample size and location to produce a 5% decrease in breeding rates and that example didn't account for the fact that breeding rates were suppose to increase across all WMUs

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I have provided the correct answer and as has been pointed out several times all you have done is post an outlandish example where it proved you had posted data that was both wrong and misleading.

Please point out the data I posted that was false and misleading. It was all PGC data so are you saying the PGC is providing false and misleading data.

From 2004 to 2006 1266 adult doe were checked and 580 of those doe came from just 6 of the 22 WMUs. Those 580 made up 46% of the total sample and those WMUs were 2A,2B,2c,4A,4E and 5C, the areas which routinely had the highest sample sizes and good breeding rates. So your basic premise regarding a change in sample size and location is flawed and does not account for the 5% decrease in breeding rates.

I think it's funny that you were so concerned about low breeding rates and productivity before ARs were implemented and now you are fabricating excuses to defend the decreasing breeding rates and productivity.

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2

It was obvious that you dropped out after praising BTB's example that showed it woudl take a total reversal of sample size and location to produce a 5% decrease in breeding rates and that example didn't account for the fact that breeding rates were suppose to increase across all WMUs

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I have provided the correct answer and as has been pointed out several times all you have done is post an outlandish example where it proved you had posted data that was both wrong and misleading.

Again you post more and more of the same without supporting your claims.
Why is it that every time you try to "prove" this particular point, you throw yet another set of partial numbers out there. Throwing in extra variables didn't work, Apples vs oranges didn't work, and now you give us the numbers from only one time period. If you really had the facts to support what you say, you wouldn't need to keep on trying different end runs around the subject. The smoke and mirrors tactics just dont fly here Blueboy!

You really need to walk away and wash the egg off your face:D

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions

Here is the report on antler restrictions by the N.Y. DEC. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/27663.html

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions

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ORIGINAL: Coalcracker

Here is the report on antler restrictions by the N.Y. DEC. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/27663.html

AR we like but the 17 year and under, well, i will be nice and say, it should be only for the FIRST year of kids hunting, like only at age 12 he/she can shoot a spike.;)

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions

The only guy that has egg on his face is the dude that posted this ridiculous example that only produced a 4% decrease in breeding rates after doubling the sample size in the low breeding rate areas.

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But if the weight is shifted to favor the less productive area (what RSB tells us is what really happened)...

100 @ 96%
200 @ 86%

100x96= 9600 200x86=17200 9600+17200=26800 26800/300=89%

In response I posted PGC data that clearly shows the sample size did not double and that 6 WMUs with some of the best breeding rates had a sample size than represented 46% of the total doe checked . But at least BTB has an excuse for his failure to understand the truecause of the decreased breeding rates.

Mental Capability
50. Memory loss (short or long term)
51. Confusion, difficulty in thinking
52. Difficulty with concentration or reading

I wonder what RSB's excuse might be?

RE: Pa Antler Restrictions

BB2 you have no class or respect for other people!

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I have a lot of respect for people that deserve it. I have no respect for those that don't know me but call me a liar with nothing to back it up.