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i was dreaming last night ,what could possibly the PGC/DCNR do in future to really wipe deer out once and for all.[:@]

now they are looking at crossbows for all seasons and in-lines for late flintlock season.

already you can use your in-line and rifle for 1 week in oct archery season,now here comes crossbow.:eek:


here is what i feel WILL HAPPEN.

you will be flooded with,WE ARE LOSING HUNTERS, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING,PETA IS WINNING, COM,ON HUNTERS LETS GET WITH IT.:)


WE MUST DO SOMETHING FAST:D

well, here is my prediction.

you will be able to use ANY weapon from first of archery to end of the late muzzleloader season.

crossbows, recurves, compounds will all be put in attic.

in-lines/flintlocks will see reduced use.

rifle will be what is used from archery to late muzzleloader.

you will have 5 months to hunt for deer with ANY WEAPON.[:@]

dont think for minute its not being looked at, the way it will happen is how its being done now, let 1 week of gun in archery, then 2 weeks, then 3 weeks,you get my point.

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That's some dream ya had there Sproul. :D

Personally, unless the people at the PGC are completely insane, I doubt you'll ever see the demise of our Archery Only season. Think about it this way. It's obvious that the hunting industry has a major influence on our hunting, here and in every state for that matter. How many rifle hunts vs. bowhunts do we see on TV? With the exception of the western hunts, 99% of the whitetail hunts on TV are with a bow. And, to add to that, how many are with a crossbow? I don't remember the last time I watched a crossbow hunt. I don't think the appeal is there for most people.

Sure, there is going to be a lot of people using a crossbow just because its an easy way into the archery season. That is what worries me more than anything. I certainly don't want to see it happen.

But, there is just not a lot going for crossbows as a whole. No weekend 3D shoots with them, no indoor leagues with them, etc. Who in the heck would want one really?

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muzz, they will use the WE ARE LOSING HUNTERS THING to get it thru.

right now a lot of hunters are not getting a deer ,let alone a buck.

they say,THOSE ARCHERY HUNTERS ARE GETTING THE DEER AHEAD OF US, THATS NOT RIGHT.i hear it all time too.

THEN YOU HAVE A pgc/dcnr THATS WANTS more money and DCNR wants deer killed off so their trees can grow for birds.

will it happen,I BET IT WILL AND WILL SLOWLY BE ADDING IT IN ARCHERY;)

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Sproul, you weren't dreaming. I said that last week. You read my post and it is echoing around in your head. Don't smash your monitor!

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sorry, it was BAD dream i had, woke me right up,i thought for minute that DOUGE was standing there with his DCNR shirt on and matching hat with a clipboard in his hand taking notes and saying,SPROUL YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

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roflmfao that is a nightmare.

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I've dreamt of getting a huge PA deer many times, so far the reality has escaped me. [8D]

My buddy shot this monster 4 seasons ago though, the deer was huge.

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your buddy just short. its called an illusion.

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Illusion your hiney...that is a 13 course foundation...over 9 feet to the joists.

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sroul thats some nightmare they wont do away with arch b/c its a extra 15 a person
and if you llook at the wall thats a long deer

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Sproul, I'm telling you that I put that thought in your head the oter day. Doug just get's your goat so you put it on him.

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yes, that is a nice buck.;)

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I'm really not sold on the fact that allowing crossbows and inlines is going to hurt the deer population any more than it already has been. I'm a die hard archery hunter and haven't had to use a rifle in quite a few years to fill my buck tag, and I don't think that allowing crossbows would reduce my chances at taking my buck with the bow. After hunting ohio this past year where you can use crossbows while hunting over bait even, I just don't think it would have the impact all you think it would. And before you say well ohio doesn't have the hunters PA does let me tell you that I was also out for there gun season and it looked as bad or worse with the amount of hunters that were there. Also you will say well it's shotgun only and that saves alot of deer. I agree that this does save some deer but I know that at 100yds a deer is as sure of being dead with most slug guns as it is with any rifle.Also the area I hunted you would not shoot beyond 100yds very easily, just like most your shots on state game lands are not goign to be beyond 100yds. Just a few things to think about before everyone thinks it's officially doomsday.

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i agree tky it wont be doomsday

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Your self assurance is an illusion, you're an idiot. My buddy is 5'9" but regardless, the deer was big.

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WVB

Thats a great buck! Tell your buddy congrats from me:D:D:D

Pedro, the only illusion is between your ears. get someone to help you count the courses of block. Never mind I'll help you...13 courses x 8" per course=104" which is 8'8" That's a big deer even if Yoa Ming stood next to it!

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The heck with the size of the Buck!! Look at the size of that Nanny!!!![:-]


Hatchet Jack

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That was my first thought too!

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Yep she's the Rosie Odonnell of the deer world!!!

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i take alot on here never butchered their own deer either. that is average size of a buck and a mature doe. that buck dont go over 145lbs on hoof and i am betting the doe might hit 115 maybe. most deer can look that big when they are stretched out and not laying on the floor. 9ft ceiling height. do the math of how long the main body of that deer is. compare that to the person in the pic. he is 5'9 so we can come close to say the main body is no more than 3ft to the base of the kneckwith the deer alive onhoof. the antlers are not as they would be if it was alive. like i said, not to many people butcher their own deer and never seen them hanging from a high ceiling to get a perspective of a stretched out average deer.

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Petro you haven't got a clue

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And you are totally clueless compared to PP.

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LOL

145 on the hoof eh? Yeah, you butcher a lot, you really know what you're talking about there chief. :D

This is a deer that dressed out at 135, this deer wasn't dragging feet hanging from an 8 foot high pole. I butcher all my deer, and I'm straight out telling you that you just spew nonsense in every thread I have seen you in. The deer hanging is maybe 6 inches behind him, when it was in the bed of his toyota it's head was hanging in one corner and it's feet were hanging off the other side. He didn't scale it but it would easily dress over 200 pounds, hell the doe probably dressed 125. Please, just stop, it's tedious.

135 dressed :

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there is no way in hell that deer next to the doe would have gone 200, have you ever seen a 200 pound dressed deer? that buck is probably between 150 and 165, don't get me wrong its a great deer but not 200. and a long deer doesn't= heavy deer. my cousins 150 pound 8 was shoter then my 135 4 pointer this year

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like i said ,some on here have no clue at all. i bet you all seen 75+lb coyotes also running around in the woods or someone shot one that you seen. bs. take that deer in your pic and hang it up. i bet it will bethe same as your buddys deer.look how long it looks laid out on the ground compared to you. like i said,deer are not as big as they appear to be when looked at from a diffrent angle and not to many people butcher their own deer or seen many hanging to know what is really going on. ask anyone who butchers their deer on here or one of the pgc on here. they will tell you that is a normal deer size when hanging. again that deer dont go over 150 and if your going to spew weight of an animal,i would expect a pic of it on a scale or it is all just bs. 135 field dressed, i really doubt it, maybe 125. 135lb field dressed buck would weigh close to 165 live weight. no way would that deer be 165 on hoof. i am shure if you took pics of it on the ground you should have some pics while it was on the scale also. i sure would take pics of it on scales if i had a camera and was taking pics of my deer. if not,its just bs.


the reason it wasnt draggin feet because you didnt hang it up. again look at that deer on the ground and compare it to you. you are so full of it to say it never dragged its feet from hanging at 8ft. we all know that you never hung it up and you are spewing bs on here. your busted bud. another desperate soul fishing for justice to prove his wrong right. now whos posts are spewed nonsense. its not mine bud it is yours. lol your deer didnt drag its hoofs from hanging 8ft. your to funny. lmao. busted with bs.

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It's not easy to "weigh" any deer from a photo but based on the picture and the easilymeasured surroundingsI'd say that deer is closer to 200 as we see him than he is to 150. Whatever the weight, that is one heck of a PA deer:D

Petro, you are nothing but a troublemaking troll. Almost every post you've put up here has been a nasty atack on someone. Your lack of knowledge about almost everything thatsrelated to huntingshows up in your posts along with your lack of spelling and grammar skills.

Even Blueboy sometimes pretends to have a point to make. You simply go looking for flame wars.

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I'll have my buddy send me some different pics of the buck, believe me it, was a huge deer and the two of you saying otherwise are dead wrong.

As for PeterPedro, I weighed my 10 point on my scale and it weighed 135....dressed, just like I said it did. I've butchered at least 75 deer, put at least 15 on the scale, i am well aware of what I am talking about concerning judging a deer's weight.

This 7 point was just slightly smaller than my 10 and it dressed out at 125.


It was easily 75 pounds lighter than that deer I posted earlier. Matter of fact the Butcher shop that cut his deer up gave him an extra surcharge because of the deer's size.

Here's that pic slightly larger, my friend is probably 180 lbs in that pic, if you don't think that deer outweighed him, dressed, you are delusional, no offense meant.



Sorry for the thread derail Sproulman, lol.

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go back and show me where i attacked these people first before you open your trap. show me where i started the nasty attacked. lets show everyone how wrong you on again without evidence to back your statements up. you and the others are the ones who came out with name attacks and started the flame war. so again your facts are not straight dip !@#$.

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hang that deer by the antlers as the photo of your buddys deer and it will be 8ft + from the stretching of the neck. all i said in the first post was it was an illusion and you all started the flame wars on me. i didnt start the flame war as the mouth has claimed. you and bt the mouth started it. dont go away mad,just go away. you and bt had been made fools of once again live on huntingnet.com. i am starting to wonder if there is any intelligent hunters that are not brain dead on this forum. :D

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yes i started this flame war. again bt is wrong as usual. who called who what to start the war?

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say who started what bt. you have no credit and by your posts you are the trouble maker. putting your nose in something that was uncalled for. you are an idiot bt without a doubt and the trouble maker on here mouth.

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Stating that it was an illusion was calling Brent a liar.
Phrasing it politely does not take away the provocation.

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You have responded to me like3 or 4times as of late and each time you make some assanine claim followed by a bunch of conjecture. My deer is nowhere near the size of him, would hang a good 12-18 inches shorter regardless of the method and his deer easily topped 200 dressed, these are first hand witnessed facts and no amount of self proclaimed expertise you spew can really change that. I KNOW I know what the hell I'm talking about when it comes to deer and deer hunting, so far I'd say you really don't know much about anything, sorry.

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them are opinions and not facts. facts havescientific proof to show they are facts. to say it goes over 200lbs is just a opinion. anyone who knows about deer or seen enough will tell you that deer is not close to 200lbs. to say it is 12 to 18 inches smaller than his deer is an opinion and bad one at that. your buck would be smaller than that 110 lb doe beside that buck. that is a fact from your statement saying your buck was 12 to 18 inches smaller than his deer. yes that doe might be closre to the camera a bit, but not enough to distort the size of it to not make a judgement about size of it compared to that buck.

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Wow....this thread went to H*ll in a handbasket.:D

Ok, I have everyone beat... Mine is bigger than all of yours.

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Sproul,I hate to break it to you once again,but you have no idea what you're talking about and no facts to back up your baseless claims.There is no push by the PGC to add inlines into flintlock season.

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i wish they would add inlines to flintlock and do away with 1 week early inlines
but that is just me

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I too don't see the PGC push for inlines in Flintlock season. Where and when did this push start???? and when will it be voted on ????? You can use them in the SR"s areas for Doe only though! So I gess you can say they are in the Flintlock right now. That is the gray area that is the PGC and Harrisburg HACKS!!! I don't see that happening for the rest of the state though. That would be like a second rifle season! If and when this happens!!! OH BOY!!!!!! I hope not!!!!!

Hatchet Jack

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ny has inlines in their late sesone

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yes, it will impact the deer as in-lines season has.

right now, you dont see driving of deer to much in archery.

when the crossbows are legal, i see that happening.

it will bring in more hunters, more times of year.

it will also get hunters to see a buck or doe and then plan on coming back to hunt in gun season.

it will make hunting a buck more of challenge in archery as they will be more spooked than now.

so, archery could be tougher if crossbows are allowed.

look at early oct week here in pa. you can use gun.[:@]

that whole week it was hard to even see a deer with my bow do too allhunters in woods and road hunting.

wasted week for me and archery hunters.

i also see more bear hunters coming in the week of archery with a crossbow for bear.

i also see more illegal baitng behind camps and more bear shot at 4 am with crossbow that bear week.[:@]

i dont hate crossbow, i hate all the new hunters it will bring to woods.

in one way its good for our local business,stores etc but we are finding out that most hunters are bringing their own food, gas not shopping locally.

thats depressing too.

if anything, ITS GOING TO BE HARD AS HECK TO GET BUCK ON STATEFORESTLAND WITH ALL THESE NEW HUNTERS.

its already tough,i did not see a DEER for 2 weeks here in clinton county,first in 47 years of hard hunting.:eek: