Try and comprehend this. No management plan can assure that all areas will be harvested at the optimum level. When that happens, we as huntersowe it to our sport and to ourselvesto act responsibly when we are able to recognize a problem.

I'm not sure whats so hard to understand. If your hunting area has been overharvested, don't kill does there. If you still choose to shoot a bunch of does and button bucks when you feel the deer density is too low (as your buddy BB2 has admitted to doing) then you are the one at fault, not the PGC.

Interesting. I believe that is more or less the intro on the USP web page. Are you a member? They also seem to feel that we sportsmen need to act responsibly whenwe see a problem, and have been preaching against doe hunting in hard hit areas for some time. Funny...I had you pegged for one of the PFSC, UBP, pro PGC crowd. Well, I apologize. Looks like we have more in common thanI thought. Maybe I'll see you at the rally this spring.

That's just another feeble attempt to insult and belittle another hunter. Those 6 antlerless deer were harvested in 2001 when the deer density was much higher and hunting was good in our area. At that time we thought the safety zones would protect enough deer to maintain reasonable densities ,but we were wrong. High antlerless allocations, high hunting pressure and little posted ground resulted in an overkill that was beyond the control of the individual hunters and the PGC still increased antlerless allocations in 5C in 2008 and wants to reduce the herd by 15%.

You are a very good example of the typical USP member and their oversimplistic view of how things ought to be. No one should have a problem with sortsmen acting responsibly in individual situations. The problem erupts when the USP simpletons like you decide that you know better than the professionals how to manage an entire state.

BB2,The area I'm talking about in Wyming county is located on rt 6,several miles away from P&G.I spent most of my early years hunting within that area and never saw more than maybe 12 deer a day and that was rare.I'm not talking about the area right around the plant.Obviously that area could never be over harvested.I used to hunt a farm that bordered P&G property during flintlock season inthe late 80's and we routinely saw 30-40 deer each day.

fellas,it's one thing to attack someone's opinion but there's no need to attack their family life.I actually agree with BB2 on more points than most would think but he's a boring guy to agree with.I have no doubt that his biggest concern is trying to get shooting for his hunting partners.Nuttin wrong with that.His wife hunts with him,mine doesn't.I admire that.

5miler,There were 124 does killed in our hunt this year.We had 600 dmap tags so thatequates to the same number of tags to kill a doe that it takes to kill one in Moshannon state forest.

Well now. That ups the success rate significantly doesn't it? 200 hunters killing 8 bucks and 124 does is hardly close to the low success rate you threw out to us in your first post.

4% success rate on bucksis extremely low.

bob,not going to go much deeper on this, everyone knows things i said is happening and this is about NORMAL ,when i say normal, lets use figure that over 50% do it .

is it DISGUSTING,WELL, NOT WHEN ITS RAINING AND THATS ONLY DEER YOU SEE,in MOST huntes eyes, its not bad thing.


i cant go into solution for this,i did but wont go there againbut most have readthat it is HAPPENING a lot .

he is just stating WHAT IS HAPPENING.

We both know about your suspicians with the kids tags. We even agree that it probably happens.It seems we've come to a point where wesimplyagree to disagree witheach other on the severity of the situation and on the solution. Nuff said on that.

This poacher is a totally different story. He is proudly declaring that he does the opposite. He's encouraging his kids to take more deer than the law allows. He appears to believe he is being noble by tagging a deer shot by his kids and giving them the chance to keep on hunting. No matter what anyone beleives about the state of the deer herd, this guy is a hypocrite for complaining that the PGC is wiping out the deer herd while he teaches his kids to poach by taking more deer than the law allows.

Would it be any different if he broke down the neighbors door so his kids could then go in and rob the place? Either way, it's teaching the kids a lack of respect for the law and for something that doesn't belong to them.

Coalcracker, I hope the WCO's on here are listening. You may never get caught but the life lessons you're teaching those kids may well come back to you in a way you'll truly regret.

Yup, I raised a bunch of poachers, I'm sure you would have had them tag the doe and have a 13 or 14 year old puch deer for you in the scrub oaks.

In those days you were allowed one deer per year during a three day season, we didn't hunt the big woods where seeing a deer was a given. There were many years we didn't get a buck or doe, it's hard to keep a child interested in hunting when they go out and see nothing. I had tagged one doe for my now 38 year old, none for my son now 35 and one for my son that is now 31.

Now that we hunt my own land around the house,we didn't shoot doe for the first five years,it's my 38 year olds idea not to shoot buck without four to a side and antlers wider than the ears (this was done before AR and we are in the three point area). We only shoot one or two doe a year since we started shooting them, we figure less than half of the fawns should be taken out as older does.During the last eleven years, he will only bow hunt, says he has first chance at the bucks and will not hunt with a rifle. Seems to me he has higher standard than you. He didn't get a buck this year, went against one of the rules on our land and harvested a button buck, it had a broken front leg and had trouble getting around, he felt bad about it, but knew it was the best thing for the deer.

35 year old son lived out of state since College, purchased 90 acres in Tioga County N.Y. last year. He set a three points to a side and no antlerless deer, didn't get to hunt it himself last year because of building a new home and only allowed one hunter from N.Y. to hunt there. The 30 acres behind his home is a santuary, do you think he is doing that to shoot all those deer at night? This year he has marriage problems and only hunted a few days in bow, he also refused to hunt with arifle and he only ever shot one doe in all his hunting time. He really turned out to be a poacher, didn't he?

My youngest at 33 hasn't hunted since he graduated from High School in 1996, he has been busy moving around to work his way up and attending night college. Now that he lives in PA again, along Rt 81 at exit 3, he might start hunting again. Sunday he was here and I gave a good supply of the doe I shot, my children like deer meat a lot more than I.

Until you come on here and tell me that you only hunt with the bow, that is when you can stack up to my sons. They have sucessful careers, not poachers as you call them and probably have higher standards than you.