HuntingNet.com Forums

HuntingNet.com Forums (https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/)
-   Northeast (https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/northeast-26/)
-   -   Rifle season 2008 is history (https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/northeast/278470-rifle-season-2008-history.html)

DougE 12-19-2008 12:18 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
No,I haven't finally seen the light.i knew his claims were B.S back then.I still haven't seen where anyone claimed that the size of the average 2.5 year old buck would increase like you claim was said.

FiveMiler 12-19-2008 12:35 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2


Everyone I talk to is seeing way more 1.5 bucks both legal size and sub legal size. And virtually everyone I talk to is seeing less does than before. Thepercentage of less doesseen varies widely from place to place.
That explains why BTB still favors ARs. If he is seeing more and bigger 1.5 buck, he certainly hasn't been effected by HR. It is impossible to have more 1.5+ buck with fewer doe and declining breeding rates. Could it be that BTB is reporting what he would like to see rather than what he is really seeing in the field?
I've seen that question asked on several other boards wherefolks that thought AR was the best thing to ever happen next to moms apple pie were asked about the decline of herd health,and lower breeding rates in relation to the bigger andbetter bucks they think they are seeing. Haven't seen a rational answer yet.

Anybody on this board want to take a stab at it? Denny? How about you?

bluebird2 12-19-2008 12:53 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

ORIGINAL: DougE

No,I haven't finally seen the light.i knew his claims were B.S back then.I still haven't seen where anyone claimed that the size of the average 2.5 year old buck would increase like you claim was said.
The only way that we would have bigger buck than ever before is if the 2.5 buck generated by ARs were bigger than the 2.5+ buck before ARs. Words do have menings even if you don't like their meaning.

Do you believe dominant breeding by older bucks was supposed to produce smaller racks?

BTBowhunter 12-19-2008 12:54 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

ORIGINAL: FiveMiler


ORIGINAL: bluebird2


Everyone I talk to is seeing way more 1.5 bucks both legal size and sub legal size. And virtually everyone I talk to is seeing less does than before. Thepercentage of less doesseen varies widely from place to place.
That explains why BTB still favors ARs. If he is seeing more and bigger 1.5 buck, he certainly hasn't been effected by HR. It is impossible to have more 1.5+ buck with fewer doe and declining breeding rates. Could it be that BTB is reporting what he would like to see rather than what he is really seeing in the field?
I've seen that question asked on several other boards wherefolks that thought AR was the best thing to ever happen next to moms apple pie were asked about the decline of herd health,and lower breeding rates in relation to the bigger andbetter bucks they think they are seeing. Haven't seen a rational answer yet.

Anybody on this board want to take a stab at it? Denny? How about you?
Herd health has not declined and breeding rates have shown no signifcant change either way so no rational answer exists because the premise of the question contains erroneous information. Much like there's no rational answer to the question: why is the sky green?

bluebird2 12-19-2008 12:59 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

Herd health has not declined and breeding rates have shown no signifcant change either way so rational answer exists because the premise of the question contains erroneous information

The only erroneous information is that posted by BTB who has his hands over his eyes so he can't hear and his fingers in his ears so he can't hear. The 2006 AWR shows quite clearly that the breeding rates declined significantly, so BTB is simply not telling the truth.

Table 1. Number of does examined, median conception date, percent of does bred
between 16 October and 16 December, mean embryos per adult doe (≥ 2 years of
age), and adult doe pregnancy rates from 2000 to 2006, Pennsylvania.
Year


n
Median
Conception
Date
Percent bred
16 October to
16 December

Mean embryos
per adult doe
Adult doe
pregnancy
rates (%) % # %
2000 1,075 14 November 90 1.60 90
2001 942 17 November 91 1.58 92
2002 520 14 November 86 1.64 91
2003 618 14 November 93 1.60 92
2004 601 15 November 90 1.53 89
2005 883 14 November 90 1.51 87
2006 632 11 November 89 1.53 85



BTBowhunter 12-19-2008 01:14 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 








*** IGNORED *** - 12/19/2008 2:59:02 PM





showPicture("12/19/2008 1:59:02 PM",0,0,0,3237060,30)


bluebird2


This user is on your "block" list and the message has been blocked.
Click here to unblock this user and view this post.


< Message edited by bluebird2 -- 12/19/2008 3:03:29 PM >

He still doesn't get it does he?

FiveMiler 12-19-2008 01:34 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

The only erroneous information is that posted by BTB who has his hands over his eyes so he can't hear and his fingers in his ears so he can't hear. The 2006 AWR shows quite clearly that the breeding rates declined significantly, so BTB is simply not telling the truth.
Blatantly obvious now.

bluebird2 12-19-2008 02:14 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
Guys like BTB just don't get it. They think if they block those that tell the truth , they can make up their own version of the truth and hope that some of the blind followers will believe them. That may make him feel better in the short term ,but eventually it will catch up to him and he will have to face reality.

livbucks 12-19-2008 02:21 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
The rationale behind larger rack sizes was that acloser B/D ratio would produce a less percentage of late born fawns. It was never about genetics.

BTBowhunter 12-19-2008 02:27 PM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

ORIGINAL: FiveMiler


The only erroneous information is that posted by BTB who has his hands over his eyes so he can't hear and his fingers in his ears so he can't hear. The 2006 AWR shows quite clearly that the breeding rates declined significantly, so BTB is simply not telling the truth.
Blatantly obvious now.
Put down that pitcher of USP Koolaid and go read the report there sport.

Since being studied, the average fawns per pregnant adult doe have varied approximately between 1.5 and 1.6. Not statistically a significant difference. There is NO meaningful indicator that herd health or breeding rates have changed.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:41 AM.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.