According to you, Dr Kroll is stupid, Charlie Alsheimer is stupid, Dr Samuel is stupid, Dr Alt is stupid along with the vast majority of their peers. I can't help but wonder why someone as "intelligent" as you hasn't been snapped up by some game management agency?

You are reading things that aren't there. Alt said nothing about the size of the average buck harvested. Furthermore, since we had 2.5 bucks before ARs, the only way hunters would see bigger buck than ever before is if the 2.5+ buck with ARs were bigger than the 2.5 +buck before ARs. Like so many PGC supporters you see and read what you want to see ,not what is really there.

I never said they were stupid. It is just that they are all promoting their own agenda and have their own personal biases.

read what you just wrote again. It makes absolutely no sense.

BTW, you have passed the USP life member IQ exam.Your perfect score of zero autmatically makes you elgible to run for an officers position.

Alt doesnt belong on that list. To include him is a gross misrepresentation. Those other gentlemen are extremely noted and knowledgable whitetail deer researchers. Alt actually owned up to his huge lack of knowledge on the topic of deer management more than once. He was a BEAR biologist, and a mouthpiece/hypnotist for pgc. Nothing more when it came to the deer program, and certainly not to be confused with the same "class" as those who'd studied deer for many decades.

I also like how he stated that when he was shown the state of the forest it drove him to his knees! (LOL) Always get a good snicker when Im reminded of that one. He he he.

I'll shorten the quote for you so you won't get so confused.
Notice at the end of the quote it says "hunters will likely SEE"

Seeing deer is a lot different than harvesting deer.

Imagine that. The state bear biologist forabout a decade, lifelong resident, and he just saw the forest for the first time?

Not according to your hero Bluebird. He claims to know more than all of them.

Please provide the post where I made that claim. All I have done is to point out that one shouldn't take everything written by the experts as the truth. Alt out right lied,Kroll was mistaken about ARs in Miss. and Alsheimer didn't question Alt's lies and simply repeated them giving them more credence.

I never claimed to more than all of those experts, but I know enough to know when they aren't telling the truth.

Even you questioned Alsheimer claim about harvesting 8-10 doe/200acres,so do you know claim to know more that Alshiemer?

You claimed that Dr Kroll doesnt understand the concept of high grading

You Claimed that Alsheimers quote about one little slice of property constituted a QDM practice

And yes, you've called them all liars and of course you've claimed to understand better than them what's right for PA

All that together makes what I said before valid. You think or at least you pretend that you know more than they do.

The "witch doctors" title of this thread alone says it all about your arrogance when it come to the research and findings of the professionals.

I did no such thing. The only thing I pointed out was that you lumped Charles Alsheiner in with your criticism of the "witch doctors" and I pointed out that he is an editor and writer. A knowledgeable one at that but he's no doctor of wildife biology