RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

Beech is not a preferred browse species, but none the less it is of sufficient in nutrient value to support a healthy herd. the reason you haven't seen browsing on beech is probably because there was enough browse provided by preferred browse species that the deer didn't have to browse the beech.

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

here is the link to the deer densities in 1983.

http://www.fortgrundsow.com/PGN1984NovDeerPop14-15.jpg

Here is the link to the SCS report that states an over browsed habitat can support over 30 DPSM.http://www.scscertified.com/PDFS/forest_statepenn.pdf

And here is a quote from that report.

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

That simply is not true. The most clearcutting occurred at the turn of the century and then there was an increase in cutting in the early 40's . By 1970 the recent cuttings were in the pole timber stage with the lowest carrying capacity of any class of timber. The fact is the PGC ahs claimed the forest were over browsed from the late 20's until the early 80s.

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

Once again you provide incomplete facts coupled with your own numbers.

Nowhere did you provide a deer density of 40 dpsm

The link you provided showsdeer densities numbering in the 20's for most of the state including NC In 83, the year you cited, the only dd over 30 is Greene County in the SW

You didnt provide any documentation for your claim of 72% regeneration

You conveniently left out the fact that the numbers you did produce are for forested square miles only. A ratio no longer used

And BTW the PGC has taken it on the chin heavily and repeatedly from guys just like you for admitting to being flawed in their deer density estimates over the years including the era you cite

When will you learn that you cant just throw out half thefacts, make your own conclusions,and expect to get away with it here

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

All this proves is that deer can exist on species that are resistant to high densities. So what? This is a very short sighted view. Letting the deer mow off the more desirable young trees is the problem. Every hunter recognizes the value of acorns as wildlife (not just deer) forage. Followingthe thinking you'd have us follow, tomorrows forests will not produce those acorns in a quantity anything near what we have seen and benefitted from.

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

The graph in the SCS report shows an MSY carrying capacity of over 40 DPSM.

I specifically referenced the NC counties and the deer densities in those areas were double the current deer densities.

Are you saying you aren't capable of doing the simple math necessary to convert DPFSM to DPSM?

Here is the link to the article on regeneration and I have to admit my 72% figure was wrong. the article says it was only over 70%.

http://www.fortgrundsow.com/PGN1983O...utUpdate29.jpg

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

Again, a snippet here and a bit of fact ther put together in an unscientific way to make your point.

Oh and as for the old Game news article.... Those clearcuts from the 70's are now the pole timber deer deserts made up of undesireable trees that won't feed a decent deer population till they get cut again because the mast trees are largely nonexistent.

I'll give you the fact that 70% was the number in the article. Just like many things from the 70's it has proven to be outdated information.Surely you can't be claiming that the clearcuts from the 70's contain the sameforest species makeup that they did before they were cut?

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

There is nothing to indicate that the successful regeneration referenced in that article is out dated. And, if you would have read the article it states that the successful clearcuts regenerated in commercially valuable timber species which is the same goal as the PGC has today.
Do you think they stopped cutting trees after that article was written? Can you explain why after over 80 years of overbrowsing, we don't have thousands of SMs of open meadows with no trees? Why di our forest increase during that period rather than decreasing?

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

You really need to get out more. Just take a drive anywhere in the northern tier ans you'll find stands of pole timber that are devoid of oak trees. Assuming you know what an oak tree looks like

RE: PGC burning sgl in pa.
 

While that is true, if you knew what you were talking about you would also know that there are two types of northern tier forests One is dominated by oaks and the other is dominated by maples. Try again.