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PA deer Quizz
On page 65 in the Digest the PGC has presented a 10 question quiz on deer management. Here is question #10.
10. True or false? A shorter firearms season would reduce the antlerless harvest. The PGC's says the correct answer is false. They claim it is the number of antlerless licenses allocated and hunter success that achieves a desired harvest. But, they also say that changing the length of the season may change the number of tags it takes to harvest a deer and as a result the antlerless allocations may change. So , they are saying that if the antlerless allocations were kept constant ,shortening the season would decrease the antlerless harvest. But, if the season was shortened they would just increase the allocations to insure the same number of deer were harvested. How could any agency be more disingenuous/ |
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You aren't happy unless you are bashing the PGC. I don't agree with everything they do either but man you get your jollies from bashing them and spreading doom and gloom. Take a breath there deadeer.
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Can you explain what the PGC hoped to gain by denying the length of the season would effect the antlerless harvest? Why did they extend the antlerless firearms season in 2b, 5C and 5D ,if not to increase the harvest?
The PGc needs to regain its credibility with hunters and the only way that will happen is if we hold them accountable for what they tell us. |
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There is no point in trying to explain anything to you. We all know that whatever is said, whatever facts are presented, no matter how many experts are quoted, no matter how many results are shown or research cited..... You will still find a way to distort it so you can bash the PGC QDMA, DR Kroll, Dr Rosenberry, Dr Alt, Dr Samuel and just about every other respected wildlife manager in the world
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You have an UNHEALTHY obsession with bashing the PGC and putting misguided spins on basic deer management.
If you focused your energy on something more constructive, imagine the good you could accomplish in this world |
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter There is no point in trying to explain anything to you. We all know that whatever is said, whatever facts are presented, no matter how many experts are quoted, no matter how many results are shown or research cited..... You will still find a way to distort it so you can bash the PGC QDMA, DR Kroll, Dr Rosenberry, Dr Alt, Dr Samuel and just about every other respected wildlife manager in the world |
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ORIGINAL: rybohunter You have an UNHEALTHY obsession with bashing the PGC and putting misguided spins on basic deer management. If you focused your energy on something more constructive, imagine the good you could accomplish in this world |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter There is no point in trying to explain anything to you. We all know that whatever is said, whatever facts are presented, no matter how many experts are quoted, no matter how many results are shown or research cited..... You will still find a way to distort it so you can bash the PGC QDMA, DR Kroll, Dr Rosenberry, Dr Alt, Dr Samuel and just about every other respected wildlife manager in the world  Well at least you are good for a laugh once in awhile. I guess you might actually have a point here.... sort of. I guess if more bucks live through their first season, there will be more bucks available to get hit by cars, die from disease etc etc |
RE: PA deer Quizz
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 On page 65 in the Digest the PGC has presented a 10 question quiz on deer management. Here is question #10. 10. True or false? A shorter firearms season would reduce the antlerless harvest. The PGC's says the correct answer is false. They claim it is the number of antlerless licenses allocated and hunter success that achieves a desired harvest. But, they also say that changing the length of the season may change the number of tags it takes to harvest a deer and as a result the antlerless allocations may change. So , they are saying that if the antlerless allocations were kept constant ,shortening the season would decrease the antlerless harvest. But, if the season was shortened they would just increase the allocations to insure the same number of deer were harvested. How could any agency be more disingenuous/ |
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ORIGINAL: sammy_tat ORIGINAL: bluebird2 On page 65 in the Digest the PGC has presented a 10 question quiz on deer management. Here is question #10. 10. True or false? A shorter firearms season would reduce the antlerless harvest. The PGC's says the correct answer is false. They claim it is the number of antlerless licenses allocated and hunter success that achieves a desired harvest. But, they also say that changing the length of the season may change the number of tags it takes to harvest a deer and as a result the antlerless allocations may change. So , they are saying that if the antlerless allocations were kept constant ,shortening the season would decrease the antlerless harvest. But, if the season was shortened they would just increase the allocations to insure the same number of deer were harvested. How could any agency be more disingenuous/ |
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Remember when you posed as a woman and claimed to have shot the all time B&C Typical and non-typical whitetails, in PA, with a bow no less??
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Remember the time you claimed Goliath was an orphaned wild PA buck?
What did the PGC hope to gain by denying that the length of the season effects the harvest. Were they trying to cover up the fact that they are still reducing the herd in many areas and not just 2B ,5C and 5D? |
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Only one person on this thread has ever been banned and had to come back under another name.....AT LEAST4 TIMES!!!
I'll give you a hint, his screen name starts with a B and it aint me!! |
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Here is question #9,
True or false? Buck hunters success rates are lower than they were 20 years ago. So instead of comparing hunter success rates in 2005 and 2006 to 1985 and 1986 they used the 25 year average to form their answer and they left out one very important fact. |
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"..did you notice that the PGC is no longer claiming that we will likely have," more and bigger buck than ever before" or that they aren't asking hunters to pass on BB ? Why do you think that has changed after 6 years of ARs?"
Just figured someone as knowledgable as you are, had convinced them of their error? Didn't look at every page in this year's digest yet. Gonna miss that section on IDing and passing on button bucks. It was long a personal favorite. |
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Probably figured the enlightened ones will do it, and the others, well, there is no hope there. So they might as well save the printing cost. Since they have to spend so much needed funds on defending frivolous lawsuits by rogue hunter groups. Right Birdbeak??
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Just figured someone as knowledgable as you are, had convinced them of their error? Didn't look at every page in this year's digest yet. Gonna miss that section on IDing and passing on button bucks. It was long a personal favorite. |
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They had enough money to print two pages of the worthless deer quiz!!
Do you really think that calling me bird beak is an insult that will get me upset? Think again. Name calling is child's play compared to discussing deer management issues based on the facts. |
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ORIGINAL: livbucks Probably figured the enlightened ones will do it, and the others, well, there is no hope there. So they might as well save the printing cost. Since they have to spend so much needed funds on defending frivolous lawsuits by rogue hunter groups. Right Birdbeak?? |
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Oh c'mon. lighten up.
I was just being funny, Geez. We have a long history, me and him. I didn't call anyone else names, did I? |
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I was just being funny, Geez. |
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Maybe I was just giving you some ideas for your next handle, after you get banned. :D Here, I am going to self-suspend myself from these outlandish debates. Most of this is all going on in highjacked threads anyway. I'm taking a break. I have no idea what you will do, especially if Bob were to leave also. Your fire would go out. |
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Why would i get banned? I didn't call anybody any names like you did , and unlike BT I didn't beg the mods to ban anybody.
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ORIGINAL: livbucks Maybe I was just giving you some ideas for your next handle, after you get banned. :D Here, I am going to self-suspend myself from these outlandish debates. Most of this is all going on in highjacked threads anyway. I'm taking a break. I have no idea what you will do, especially if Bob were to leave also. Your fire would go out.    |
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Here, I am going to self-suspend myself from these outlandish debates. Most of this is all going on in highjacked threads anyway. I'm taking a break. I have no idea what you will do, especially if Bob were to leave also. Your fire would go out. |
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Well i heard from many credible sources that my brother's uncle's grandfather's grandmother's sister's cousin knows that the PGC was responsible for killing JFK and Gary Alt was on the grassy knoll that historic day...
** Edit: I just took the quiz and got a 100% but i cheated. |
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ORIGINAL: Pa Trophy Man Well i heard from many credible sources that my brother's uncle's grandfather's grandmother's sister's cousin knows that the PGC was responsible for killing JFK and Gary Alt was on the grassy knoll that historic day... ** Edit: I just took the quiz and got a 100% but i cheated. |
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This just in>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
 Santa is responsible for the lack of deer sightings in PA. He has been unsatisfied with the performance of his famous ''8'' reindeer so he has been kidnapping the bigger, healthier than ever buck from the commonwealth's deer heard to replace his sleigh totters'. Santa says "Thank you Gary Alt, you saved Christmas." |
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well not being from PA i prob don't have much place in this i just know that when i went through PA like 5 or 6 years ago and then went through it again last week on my way to and from ohio i saw far less deer, but i think that you guys should take it easy and just look at both sides. just an outsider opinion
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ORIGINAL: Pa Trophy Man This just in>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Santa is responsible for the lack of deer sightings in PA. He has been unsatisfied with the performance of his famous ''8'' reindeer so he has been kidnapping the bigger, healthier than ever buck from the commonwealth's deer heard to replace his sleigh totters'. Santa says "Thank you Gary Alt, you saved Christmas."  |
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well not being from PA i prob don't have much place in this i just know that when i went through PA like 5 or 6 years ago and then went through it again last week on my way to and from ohio i saw far less deer, but i think that you guys should take it easy and just look at both sides. just an outsider opinion |
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But the herd was just as healthy before HR as it is now,at least according to the PGC stats.
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Blah, Blah, Blah...
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But the herd was just as healthy before HR as it is now,at least according to the PGC stats. |
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But your answer was wrong and that is why I corrected it, by pointing out the herd was at a healthy level before HR began. There may have too many deer to satisfy certain special interest groups like the timber industry,DCNR and the Audubon, but the herd was healthy and below the MSY carrying capacity of the habitat.
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Here is question 3#.
True or false? Antler restrictions hurt the genetics of Pennsylvania's deer herd. My question is ,how will we know when the PGC refuses to release the results of their annual buck survey? |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 But your answer was wrong and that is why I corrected it, by pointing out the herd was at a healthy level before HR began. There may have too many deer to satisfy certain special interest groups like the timber industry,DCNR and the Audubon, but the herd was healthy and below the MSY carrying capacity of the habitat. |
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Can you provide anything to support that claim? Breeding rates and productivity did not increase where the herd was reduced the most and statewide breeding rates and productivity decreased instead of increasing.
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Can you provide anything to support that claim? Breeding rates and productivity did not increase where the herd was reduced the most and statewide breeding rates and productivity decreased instead of increasing. |
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None of those observations are part of the criteria the PGC uses to determine herd health. Maybe you should submit that data to the PGC and see if they agree with your observations.
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