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RE: PA antler restriction
I took Bob's advice and did a search as he suggested and here is what I found.
Goliath is a enormous white-tail buck. Maybe you’ve seen him on television or in a newspaper photo. He is huge, weighing 250 lbs. as a two-year-old. He's pretty tame, because he was born and raised on "game farms" in Pennsylvania. Goliath is owned by one such operation, Rodney Miller's of Knox, Penn. who paid $900 for him in 1997. |
RE: PA antler restriction
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 I took Bob's advice and did a search as he suggested and here is what I found. Goliath is a enormous white-tail buck. Maybe you’ve seen him on television or in a newspaper photo. He is huge, weighing 250 lbs. as a two-year-old. He's pretty tame, because he was born and raised on "game farms" in Pennsylvania. Goliath is owned by one such operation, Rodney Miller's of Knox, Penn. who paid $900 for him in 1997. Second, you didn't name the source of your quote but I know thatI also read the published story that said he was an orphaned fawn. It is quite possible that he was sold after that. A domesticated deer is private property just like a cow and can be bought and sold |
RE: PA antler restriction
ORIGINAL: livbucks 2UBirdBlue.....do you see the incredible symmetry in that rack?? Besides mass, the symmetry is not to be believed on that buck. For a Non-Typical, that is so rare, it almost is a typical by default! What's funny is the semen was worth a fortune, and he was just an ordinary orphaned PA fawn. Oh, from what humble beginnings..... |
RE: PA antler restriction
The whole thing aside....genetics are really not the sole guiding force in antler development. What I was trying to elude to is that the prevalence of large racks in the midwest and the portion of Canada above is caused by environmental factors, namely the nutrients in the soil and vegetation of that region.
It's all about nutrition mainly. Just look at an area that had logging activity within the preceding decade and you will see a huge jump in antler size. I've seen it. Age and nutrition are the key. If it's dead at 18 months, there is no way to ever know or judge the potential. Remember, It was still believed not long ago that once a spike: always a spike. Where that came from I have no idea! |
RE: PA antler restriction
First of all, orphaned fawns can be obtained under certain circumstances from the PGC. I didn't name the source since I thought you would be smart enough to do the search before you challenged my credibility, after you called me a liar. But, I guess I was WRONG AGAIN and you weren't smart enough to do that search. |
RE: PA antler restriction
The whole thing aside....genetics are really not the sole guiding force in antler development. So would you please explain why some 2.5 bucks are spikes while other 2.5 + buck in the same area are 8 or 10 pts.? |
RE: PA antler restriction
I've hunted in the Midwest (West Central Illinois) for the last 10 years and they don't have antler restrictions and I doubt that they ever will. Thehunters I have met over those years have a totally different mindset about harvesting deer. If someone other than a young kid shoots an immature buck, he tends to hide it and quietly take it home. It is not an acceptable practice in most circles there. It is simply a culture difference between the regions. Sure they have better feed and better mineral content in their soil but they also recognize that age is the really dominant factor in antler develpoment. The genes there are good but not any better than we have in many parts of PA. I see plenty of forkhorns but they are ALL young deer. Without age, a buck will never even get close to his potential. The vast majority of hunters out there strive to not shoot bucks till they are 3.5 or older. They also shoot all the does they can.
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RE: PA antler restriction
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 First of all, orphaned fawns can be obtained under certain circumstances from the PGC. I didn't name the source since I thought you would be smart enough to do the search before you challenged my credibility, after you called me a liar. But, I guess I was WRONG AGAIN and you weren't smart enough to do that search. A theif doesnt steal everything he ever needs but he's still a theif A farmer doesnt groweverything he eats but he's still a farmer You may spit out a true phrase occasionally but you are still a liar A clever one maybe, a persistant one for sure but still just a liar |
RE: PA antler restriction
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 The whole thing aside....genetics are really not the sole guiding force in antler development. So would you please explain why some 2.5 bucks are spikes while other 2.5 + buck in the same area are 8 or 10 pts.? There are many guys that heard the same story. I do know that since CWD, there are wholesale changes in the handling of orphaned fawns in PA. Currently, there is no permission of any kind to take wild fawns and raise them. Under the new rules, anybody that possesses one will pay $200, and the fawn WILL be destroyed. No exceptions. These are new regulations as of late. Believe me blueboyd, I never say somethingI know to be untrue. That is not my intention EVER. The development of a bucks first few racks are dependant on Dam health, litter size, available browse and most importantly: birth date. Once mature, those variances will even out. |
RE: PA antler restriction
Anytime you think you are man enough to support your claim that I am a liar, I will be more than happy to meet that challenge. You and Livbucks have been caught in a flat out, documented lie, but aren't man enough to admit you were wrong. I deal with facts and you make up stories and laws that you can't document to support your position.
Can you provide one example where a deer that was removed from the wild in PA was sold as a domestic animal? |
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