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COUGARS ARE HERE
i hope you got to read the usa today on friday.
it had article from 4 states, arkansas,missouri,,nebraska,montana. they talked about CONFIRMED cougars in those states and others.. 10 confirmed sighting in missouri alone. they said they found kitten and confirming litters also. the DNR shot 1 and it was WILD cougar, not tame. also they figure what is causing this is they are migrating more towards north central usa. they said that no cougars were in these states from 1906 to now. they also said they had sighting and it was confirmed when 1 was shot by farmer ,another by a forestry dnr person. soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,well ,are NON -BELIEVERS ready.;) |
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Here we go again. I know from reading that 'panthers' were in NC PA back in the 1800's. Our cabin had an old map of the area showing where these were shot and by who. So why not believe they are coming back? Sproulman - our cabin is up on Hyner Run. As you know that is big country there. Plenty of room for an animal as elusive as a cougar to roam and remain unseen. My only question is now that there are more roads, al be it they are dirt roads, why hasn't someone cut a track duing the winter snow? You would think that one of these critters would cross a road sometime in search of food.
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ORIGINAL: bronko22000 Here we go again. I know from reading that 'panthers' were in NC PA back in the 1800's. Our cabin had an old map of the area showing where these were shot and by who. So why not believe they are coming back? Sproulman - our cabin is up on Hyner Run. As you know that is big country there. Plenty of room for an animal as elusive as a cougar to roam and remain unseen. My only question is now that there are more roads, al be it they are dirt roads, why hasn't someone cut a track duing the winter snow? You would think that one of these critters would cross a road sometime in search of food. I AGREE with you on tracks in snow and lack of sighting during winter.. how many of us know what track looks like? personelly, i think we are looking at cougars that are not too many. according to DNR guy who shot cougar in those states, he said they are ROAMING over 300 miles,from state to state. so, we may only be looking a cat or 2 in pa.that may ROAM in and out of state.. most feel our cougars are coming from NEW YORK STATE. cougar is real elusive.. did you know that cougar group has a CONFIRMED TRACK from CLINTON COUNTY. they do have picture of it on the internet.. so, if cougars roam a lot and dont stay in area,its hard to get track or follow there movements.. if WCO from clearfield in 1990 or sowould have met with me, we would have had a CONFIRMED TRACK to put on here. he stated to me,SPROUL GROUND IS TO HARD AND I DONT BELIEVE THEY EXIST. so, there you go. i KNOW what i saw,tail too.. when you see cougar in woodsit will in NO WAY look like a bobcat. if i was cougar, i would head SOUTH where its warmer and lots of food in winter,i would not stay up here and live off MICE .meeeow:D |
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most feel our cougars are coming from NEW YORK STATE. did you know that cougar group has a CONFIRMED TRACK from CLINTON COUNTY. they do have picture of it on the internet.. Wait what am I doing? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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LEts get this straight i do not beleive there is cougars here in PA. That said i was hunting this year deer driving when i came upon a track. A big track. Not a bear track to big to be a coyote. I asked a guy in the group and he said it was a cougar track. I thought he was joking but he said thats what it was. He is a taxadermist too. I dont know. But it was a big track. definetly not a bear. WHAT ELSE IS OUT THEIR.i guess it could have been a black panther.
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ORIGINAL: Charlie P most feel our cougars are coming from NEW YORK STATE. did you know that cougar group has a CONFIRMED TRACK from CLINTON COUNTY. they do have picture of it on the internet.. Wait what am I doing? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Steve |
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Hey guys, give ole Sproul a break!
 Cougars have been confirmed in states that are barely over 750 miles away. It's even in the USA Today.Of course that means we have them here!!!!  mumble mumble mumble, (hic)..... BARTENDER!.... (hic) ....ANOTHER SHOT AND A BEER!....mumble mumble mumble..... Probably trucked in by (hic) insurance companies with that last load of coyotes.... mumble mumble mumble NOTHER BEER PLEASE!!.... mumble mumble mumble....dang crews killin all the deer.....mumble mumble mumble....comin in from areas with lots ofdeerbut theykill em all here.... mumble mumble mumble....usin kids tags.... mumble mumble (hic) mumble.....dang inlines...CAN I GET ANOTHER SHOT DOWN HERE?....mumble mumble mumble |
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ORIGINAL: sproulman ORIGINAL: bronko22000 Here we go again. I know from reading that 'panthers' were in NC PA back in the 1800's. Our cabin had an old map of the area showing where these were shot and by who. So why not believe they are coming back? Sproulman - our cabin is up on Hyner Run. As you know that is big country there. Plenty of room for an animal as elusive as a cougar to roam and remain unseen. My only question is now that there are more roads, al be it they are dirt roads, why hasn't someone cut a track duing the winter snow? You would think that one of these critters would cross a road sometime in search of food. I AGREE with you on tracks in snow and lack of sighting during winter.. how many of us know what track looks like? personelly, i think we are looking at cougars that are not too many. according to DNR guy who shot cougar in those states, he said they are ROAMING over 300 miles,from state to state. so, we may only be looking a cat or 2 in pa.that may ROAM in and out of state.. most feel our cougars are coming from NEW YORK STATE. cougar is real elusive.. did you know that cougar group has a CONFIRMED TRACK from CLINTON COUNTY. they do have picture of it on the internet.. so, if cougars roam a lot and dont stay in area,its hard to get track or follow there movements.. if WCO from clearfield in 1990 or sowould have met with me, we would have had a CONFIRMED TRACK to put on here. he stated to me,SPROUL GROUND IS TO HARD AND I DONT BELIEVE THEY EXIST. so, there you go. i KNOW what i saw,tail too.. when you see cougar in woodsit will in NO WAY look like a bobcat. if i was cougar, i would head SOUTH where its warmer and lots of food in winter,i would not stay up here and live off MICE .meeeow:D  ............. |
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ORIGINAL: Charlie P most feel our cougars are coming from NEW YORK STATE. did you know that cougar group has a CONFIRMED TRACK from CLINTON COUNTY. they do have picture of it on the internet.. Wait what am I doing? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH also, experts feel they are not coming from new york, they feel they are coming from what the USA TODAY article confirmed. get a copy of paper and read it,i only put this on here for info. or call the WCO that shot one and farmer too. or call EASTERNCOUGAR group and ask for copy of CONFIRMED TRACK they got in clinton county.;) |
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Can't find a thing on their site abouta track in Clinton County. Dis find this map on another site. Nothing in pa. The one in ny was a long time ago.
 Guess they are having a little trouble getting across the Missisippi |
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I also can't find the article your talking about on line.
they feel they are coming from what the USA TODAY article confirmed. |
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ORIGINAL: Charlie P Can't find a thing on their site abouta track in Clinton County. Dis find this map on another site. Nothing in pa. The one in ny was a long time ago. Guess they are having a little trouble getting across the Missisippi charlie, that USA TODAY article is on page 3a on feb 15th paper. here is site of tracks confirmed in pa. and some in CLINTON COUNTY.look for topic,TRACKS they keep updating their site and adding info.. www.easternpumaresearch.com on track no.2,it has date around 1994 in CLINTON COUNTY,that was close to year i saw my COUGAR,MINE WAS AROUND 1993 AREA,i had to think a little on year. trust me, i saw cougar,no doubt about that,i was real close 15 ft. |
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Confirmed by them?
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ORIGINAL: Charlie P Confirmed by them? HMMMMM.......... |
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they feel they are coming from what the USA TODAY article confirmed. and where might that be?
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if you read their entire site you will see that in RED sighting and were confirmed by us wildlife .blue was their scientist.
it does show a lot of sighting in NEW YORK,600 as of 1965. pa was leader with 1400 sighting..that big area in RED in pa. is CLINTON COUNTY. cant give you much more than what they have, read everything on their site. sighting here have been quite,not hearing any right now. but 3 years ago on beech creek rd off rt 144 ,clinton /centre county, boy, a lot of sighting of cougar from people that know difference from bobcat/cougar. i just wish that WCO from clearfield would have come out and met with me to take tracks. |
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They don't leave tracks in muddy or snow covered roads 'cause they're too clever and have learnt theyselfs to leap over such places without leavin' nary a mark. Same reason none have been hit on any of our roads yet...they can glide over such obstacles with one bound.
Might find the odd track in the areas between divided highways, though.  |
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ORIGINAL: DennyF They don't leave tracks in muddy or snow covered roads 'cause they're too clever and have learnt theyselfs to leap over such places without leavin' nary a mark. Same reason none have been hit on any of our roads yet...they can glide over such obstacles with one bound. Might find the odd track in the areas between divided highways, though.
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ORIGINAL: DennyF They don't leave tracks in muddy or snow covered roads 'cause they're too clever and have learnt theyselfs to leap over such places without leavin' nary a mark. Same reason none have been hit on any of our roads yet...they can glide over such obstacles with one bound. Might find the odd track in the areas between divided highways, though.
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This may be just rumor, but, I've heard that when a cougar needs to cross a road they have a sasquatch carry em across. |
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Interesting in that both reports in Illinois are pretty recent and indicate that some are crossing the Mississipi. There have been other unsubstantiated reports of POSSIBLE cougar sightings in southern Illinois. Given the high deer population and plenty of cover in the hills and river bottoms of southern Illinois, I wouldn't be surprised if the reports from there become more common.
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ORIGINAL: rybohunter This may be just rumor, but, I've heard that when a cougar needs to cross a road they have a sasquatch carry em across. |
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter Hey guys, give ole Sproul a break! Cougars have been confirmed in states that are barely over 750 miles away. It's even in the USA Today.Of course that means we have them here!!!! mumble mumble mumble, (hic)..... BARTENDER!.... (hic) ....ANOTHER SHOT AND A BEER!....mumble mumble mumble..... Probably trucked in by (hic) insurance companies with that last load of coyotes.... mumble mumble mumble NOTHER BEER PLEASE!!.... mumble mumble mumble....dang crews killin all the deer.....mumble mumble mumble....comin in from areas with lots ofdeerbut theykill em all here.... mumble mumble mumble....usin kids tags.... mumble mumble (hic) mumble.....dang inlines...CAN I GET ANOTHER SHOT DOWN HERE?....mumble mumble mumble It's official....this is my last post on ANY cougar sighting post in NY and PA. |
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bronko 22000,DID YOU KNOW FARMER OFF RT120 AT HYNER,PA. REPORTED HE SAW A COUGAR 2 TIMES.
they were sitting on their back porch when it came by. this farmer has lived there all his life and knows what a bobcat looks like. i heard that WCO did investigate it but i never heard results. |
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I suppose it's very possible that cougars are in PA. 20 years ago if someone told me they saw a coyote around here I would have LMAO . Now they are a common sight.
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 Ahhhhhhhhhhh antother mountain lion thread.Bring em on ..... I'm ready!!  |
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There were alot of coyotes in pa in 1988.
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There were "lots" of coyotes in PA back in the 70s, at least in the northern tier counties. Back then many of the farmers thought they were "coydogs" though. Saw my first one in the late 70s or early 80s, along the NY borderin NEPotter County.
The documented history of 'yotes in PA, goes back much farther than that. |
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Near our camp,located in Hamilton County a dead deer was found 40 feet up a tree. All of a sudden the deer were hanging out in town. What else could cause that ???? Last year we had a wolf run across road in front of us. This year we counted 7 moose on our land. There are no fences around state borders.
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Butch - of course you have photo's of some of this.
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ORIGINAL: butch910 Near our camp,located in Hamilton County a dead deer was found 40 feet up a tree. All of a sudden the deer were hanging out in town. What else could cause that ???? Last year we had a wolf run across road in front of us. This year we counted 7 moose on our land. There are no fences around state borders. There are lots of reasons the deer could bearound town. |
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Pics of the moose yes as soon as i get them will post. Wolf no was at night. Deer in tree was told by trooper didnt see it. Was also in local newspaper.
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Moose have wandered thru - there is a small pop in the Adirondacks.
More the a little hard to identify a wolf from a coyote, dog etc running by at night. Deer in tree the same 2nd(3rd, 4th 5th .....)hand story all NY reports are. Steve |
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i also saw WOLF on rt144 near snowshoe,pa.centre county
he was a long one with a real long tail,longer than the coyotes we get,we got 12 coyotes as of end of jan here in clinton county,wmu2g. that wolf i would say went 80 pds.. it was rusty color.it was HUGE.:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: sproulman i also saw WOLF on rt144 near snowshoe,pa.centre county he was a long one with a real long tail,longer than the coyotes we get,we got 12 coyotes as of end of jan here in clinton county,wmu2g. that wolf i would say went 80 pds.. it was rusty color.it was HUGE.:eek: LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS! OH MY! |
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ORIGINAL: sproulman i also saw WOLF on rt144 near snowshoe,pa.centre county he was a long one with a real long tail,longer than the coyotes we get,we got 12 coyotes as of end of jan here in clinton county,wmu2g. that wolf i would say went 80 pds.. it was rusty color.it was HUGE.:eek: |
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I realize the thread was started concerning mountain lions, but talk of wolves caught my eye.
I took part in a deer drive just outside of Attica, ny, in 1977. Anyone familiar with that area & that year knows it was one of the harshest, coldest, falls/winters on record. One hunter fired a shot, claiming to miss a deer. Only several weeks later did I find out that the hunter took a beautiful timber wolf, thinking it was a large coyote. It is believed that it crossed down from Canada over frozen Great lakes. That same winter, one was darted in Grand Island and released. I saw the wolf pelt mentioned above. It was tanned by the hunter, who also was a trapper. Checked around at first to get a full body mount, until he was told about the 10,000$ fine that would come with it. To this day, the pelt hangs on his basement wall. It's huge, beautiful. |
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On a bear hunt in Alberta a number of years ago, one of the hunters in camp shot a wolf. It was estimated at about 130 lbs., if I remember correctly. Long way from the 80 lbs. Sproul reports. Must have been a long, hard journey down here....
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ORIGINAL: Pawildman On a bear hunt in Alberta a number of years ago, one of the hunters in camp shot a wolf. It was estimated at about 130 lbs., if I remember correctly. Long way from the 80 lbs. Sproul reports. Must have been a long, hard journey down here.... so, it may have weighted more than 80 pds but i was taking that 47 pd coyote and doubling it. my dog is 81 pds and that wolf was a lot longer.so yes, it could have been way over 80 pds,i dont know.. i know this, it was rusty red color.it was real LONG....... a little off topic, my friends are grouping together and will come to your area and hunt down the coyotes for you. if anyone is interested, PM me and i will give you phone number to call. |
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