Buck Or Doe?
01-18-2002, 06:37 AM
#13
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
RE: Buck Or Doe?
I think most will agree that there's virtually no excuse for an archer shooting a button buck. It gets a bit more complicated in the gun season. How about this: The first male deer shot costs you your buck tag, period. That will make some but not all guys more careful, don't you think? If a guy is out with a doe tag after that with a gun and he shoots another button he is atleast done for that year, no matter how many tags he still holds. Maybe some small penalty is he turns it in, but a big one if he walks. Some may be left to lay. Others will get tagged by someone in the party (we all know that happens a lot here) The bottom line is that there isn't a perfect way to protect buttons but isn't less than perfect still better than not at all? At the very least protect em in bow season!
01-18-2002, 07:45 AM
#14
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: erie pa USA
Posts: 509
RE: Buck Or Doe?
BtBowhunter,I was laid off this year and bow hunted most of the season.I had a chance to shoot a 4pt and a small 6pt. but saw a bigger buck before them but couldn't shoot.I would of shot the 6pt if I didn't have all the time off I did to hunt because I am not a trophy hunter myself.I will not shoot a 60lb.deer even if it is not a button buck.
I like deer meat too much to bring home a deer like that.I think you are right on about the first deer you shoot it should be tagged what it really is a buck.And if the second deer is a buck as you stated then tag it as so and your done.Two deer both bucks in my book how can you complain.Even though you would maybe have a doe tag left some may say well it should be used to shoot a doe it was in the Quota that was set by the PGC but you already shot a button buck with a tag and under the game laws a button buck is a doe not a buck untill he makes it to the next season.
I like deer meat too much to bring home a deer like that.I think you are right on about the first deer you shoot it should be tagged what it really is a buck.And if the second deer is a buck as you stated then tag it as so and your done.Two deer both bucks in my book how can you complain.Even though you would maybe have a doe tag left some may say well it should be used to shoot a doe it was in the Quota that was set by the PGC but you already shot a button buck with a tag and under the game laws a button buck is a doe not a buck untill he makes it to the next season.
01-18-2002, 09:10 AM
#17
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Location: Indiana PA USA
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RE: Buck Or Doe?
Wow, I actually agree with BTBowhunter on this subject, thats a first <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Anyways though, I think that I have a good solution, it is along the same lines as BT's. Okay, we should have a male and female tag. PERIOD! If a hunter shoots a button buck, he MUST tag it with his MALE tag, if he goes out hunting the following day and shoots ANOTHER button buck, he MUST tag that with his FEMALE TAG, but this would be the catch, I would make him pay the difference between a FEMALE tag and a MALE tag, thats like 15 dollars. I think that this would help this problem out ALOT, what do you guys think. With this extra money, maybe they could hire more game commissioners.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)
01-18-2002, 09:37 AM
#19
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: erie pa USA
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RE: Buck Or Doe?
Buck Magnet,It seems like in Pa you must set a law to get not all but alot of hunters to follow the game laws,and if a fine is the way to go so be it.They will either live with it or find a way to come up with the money.
01-18-2002, 02:33 PM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren PA USA
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RE: Buck Or Doe?
Who's gonna fine the guys that make a mistake? You're going to leave it up to the individual to report himself and pay the $25 fine? It can't work on the honor system. Too many hunters, not enough enforcement.
What about shooting an adult deer late in the season? You've filled your "buck" tag, and this is your "doe" tag now. The ADULT deer you just shot was a buck that shed his antlers. What now? I understand the basis for what you're saying, but in all actuallity it's impossible to do and still cover the bases.
Let's put in CHECK STATIONS too! We can put 2 in every county. That's about...3700 deer checked on the first day. Assuming nearly 500,000 deer shot on the first day of firearms deer season. That's real practical.
Let's add it up...
134 Stations
At least 3 people/station
Average $10/hr/person
Added operating $...paperwork, computers, etc
Assume 15hr/person per day
$60,300 in wages min.
GOD knows what it would cost to get the People there and costs for supplies.
This is only one day! Plus, in 15hrs the workers would have to constantly check a deer approx. Every 15 seconds!
Obviously the deer harvests in some counties is higher and there would need to be more stations. Less in others. But still, you'd have to drive to the check station...in some counties, that might be an hours drive.
IT JUST ISN'T PRACTICAL...JUST LIKE THE "DOE/ANTLERLESS & BUCK/ANTLERED" SITUATION YOU'RE ALL FUSSING OVER NOW.
First you whined about the PGC not doing enough. Now you bitch because they're trying to do something. When something goes through you don't like the way it's going to happen. When you get sick of whining about one thing, you find something else. What next?
What about shooting an adult deer late in the season? You've filled your "buck" tag, and this is your "doe" tag now. The ADULT deer you just shot was a buck that shed his antlers. What now? I understand the basis for what you're saying, but in all actuallity it's impossible to do and still cover the bases.
Let's put in CHECK STATIONS too! We can put 2 in every county. That's about...3700 deer checked on the first day. Assuming nearly 500,000 deer shot on the first day of firearms deer season. That's real practical.
Let's add it up...
134 Stations
At least 3 people/station
Average $10/hr/person
Added operating $...paperwork, computers, etc
Assume 15hr/person per day
$60,300 in wages min.
GOD knows what it would cost to get the People there and costs for supplies.
This is only one day! Plus, in 15hrs the workers would have to constantly check a deer approx. Every 15 seconds!
Obviously the deer harvests in some counties is higher and there would need to be more stations. Less in others. But still, you'd have to drive to the check station...in some counties, that might be an hours drive.
IT JUST ISN'T PRACTICAL...JUST LIKE THE "DOE/ANTLERLESS & BUCK/ANTLERED" SITUATION YOU'RE ALL FUSSING OVER NOW.
First you whined about the PGC not doing enough. Now you bitch because they're trying to do something. When something goes through you don't like the way it's going to happen. When you get sick of whining about one thing, you find something else. What next?