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hope you got to red article and pictures of the deer that the pgc says .are starving and must go..

this is at the federal gov. campus in broughton,pa. near pittsburgh..

pgc says there are 200 deer on this private property and they must be SHOT!!
IF you would look at pictures of deer, they have nice healthy coats and fat sassy bellys..

so, they are going to have company shoot them..

pgc will not be happy until no deer are left anywhere, now, they are after private land owners to KILL THEM STARVING DEER OFF..


PGC ,DCNR, make me sick!!

get ready, pittsburgh,HR is now coming to you!! you wont like the end result,for sure!!

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This has been discussed for weeks elsewhere. Haven't seen this take on it though, but no surprise there.

IIRC, the deer are far too numerous for the amount of habitat; some are infected with parasites; some are in poor shape and the PGC does not want them chased out of the fenced-in area and into the general deer population in the area...even if they could chase them out.

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Sproulman, you're missing the most dramatic thing. Talk at Chubby's Bar is of helicopters spraying them with a sort of "deer round up" that only kills deer.
They was gonna use agent orange or napalm but supplies of that are low.
I saw some Ninga PGC agents checking out my private land yesterday. Buggers musta been dong a deer count and gonna hire local expert shooters to kill all four of them off.
Yup them deer are "fat with sassy bellies" --- and each and every one of them gotta die.
Now get back out there on the "beat" and get us another news scoop.

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Sproulman I read about these deer but never got to see pictures of them Ill take your word on it but there was another poster that said they were sick and people were bringing food to them and everything else. If theres that many deer as they say there are maybe a controoled hunt every couple yrs would help the situation out.:)

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MEN,
If you believe it !? your a FOOL !
Tj

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I saw some Ninga PGC agents checking out my private land yesterday. Buggers musta been dong a deer count and gonna hire local expert shooters to kill all four of them off.

Well, what the heck, you sure ain't been much of a threat to 'em lately.

:D

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Sproul, the area was fenced after 911 because it is a government contractor or something like that. The deer cannot get out and NO people are allowed in. They do not want to release the deer because the suburbs of Pittsburgh are already overrun with them. They simply have no choice but to cull some deer there and the public isn't allowed on the premises.
There is simply no choice here but what is going to transpire.
It's not too far from where I live.
This has nothing to do with GC policy. It is restricted FED controlled property.

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You sure know how to hurt a sensitive fella.


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i happen to be in same situation in olney,md..about 10 years ago..they had deer there and state wanted them killed off for various reasons..

i went to public meeting, the state said they were STARVING..well, maybe with those big fat bellys they just looked STARVING AND DISEASED..

real reason was they wanted them dead because they were eating rich peoples flowers..i asked ,WHY DONT YOU TRAP THEM OUT AND MOVE THEM TO OTHER AREAS..they said same thing to me,if we move them they have disease..

penn state trapped deer in wmu2g,they bragged about all deer they trapped..they could trap thosedeer out and move them..

BUT ,remember, pgc says they are all SICK..well, i am not there and pictures i have show everyone in picture with BIG FAT SASSY BUTTS..

i just dont believe word that our PGC says anymore..i really believe they are using that DISEASE thing so they dont have to bother with it..

thanks for info on fence, i did not know that..i have pictures and brief article on it..

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Heres a link to the article on the subject

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PA_DEER_KILL_PAOL-?SITE=PAGRE&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

This is a fully fenced federal facility. I happen to know a guy who used to sneak on the property before it was fenced. That is, he did until a team armed with M16's swooped down on him one day. The area is now toatlly fenced in and the deer have no way in or out. What do you expect them to do Sproul? Are you volunteering to put up the money to have them trapped out?

Your post could just as well appear on PETA's web page. Your post makes about as much sense as some PETA reactions to similar situations in the past.

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1.Penn State netted the deer to tag them for a mortality study and movement study.

2.Did you ever see pics. of someone who is starving..their stomachs are distended.

3.What a surpirse YOU don't believe the PGC. This is a gov't facility and as such federally owned property. The Gc has no control.
Even if they could trap them out, as malnourished as they are the stress of the move would kill them.

You are always trying to find blame w/ the PGC..... We're not buying it.

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sproul knows difference between a starving deer and a BIG FAT SASSY DOE..my pictures show no deer that look like they are starving..

cant you see it just excuse to get rid of deer there..yes, there may be too many for area, i am not saying that, i am saying i feel they could be trapped out by PENN STATE GIRLS and moved so hunters can hunt them next year..thats my whole bitch here..

as for cost, what did it cost to trap deer in wmu2g for 5 year study and come to conclusion we dont know how to hunt?they came up with money for that.. oh , i forgot , they are full of disease, yea right, you know who is full of it..

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I wish I was the one shooting them. I would do it for free just for the practice. Even by my own shells. Is therea place to sign up at?

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For every deer you trap and transfer you better bring about 32 acres of high quality deer habitat with it. It is the habitat and food each deer needs that are hard to move and there is no sense moving the deer if there isn’t the habitat and food for the deer to survive on.

Besides I have been involved in tranquilizing and moving deer in the past. Darn few of them actually survive the move.

The deer you are talking about in the study weren’t moved they were captured and then with minimal exposure to people they were collared and quickly released back into their home range. That is a mighty big difference to trapping, moving and relocating deer……that simply doesn’t work.

R.S.Bodenhorn

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Sproul, you claim to have pictures. Well, lets see em! And while you're at it you'll need to let us know who took them since this is a controlled security area.

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RSB is correct. several studies have shown that deer get so stressed in the process that it damages their heart. It's called stress related cardiomyopathy. Eventhose that dont die rightaway often end up with a weakened and enlarged heart only to die later of congestive heart failure. I'm sure the risk of this phenomenon would only be worse onalready malnourished deer.

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Perhaps you and Sproul have a mutual friend afterall ?

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ya just never know;)

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I'd like to see those pictures myself.

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sproul never claims i have photo,i have it..mine also show a turkey in picture, a big gobbler about 20 pds..do to copyright laws, no way i can put these pictures on here..

i cant even mail you copy from what i am told, i dare not make copy,but i will send originalto you if you pm me with your address..

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If they're copyrighted, then I would assume they're published so just tell us all where and we can see for ourselves.

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oh, now all of sudden there is PICTURE,hmmmmmmmmmmmm,bet you did not believe ole sproul..

learn 1 thing with me, i never LIE..

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Besides missing a leg, Is this deer healthy?

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I believe what I see and I havent seen the pictures you claim to have.

If, as you say, they are copyrighted, one would assume that means that they are published so where, as I asked before,might we find these pictures, if indeed they do exist?

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Where was that pic takenGeorgepoker? that deer looks terrible.

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Sproul I just took this pic off google. I am not sure of where it was taken from. I am just curious on if people thinks this is a healthy deer or not. I do believe that they are slaughtering our deer herds in Pa. for an agenda. And it's not because of the health or survival of the deer.

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rsb, can you answer this, not being smarty pants..the deer here were brought into wmu2g years ago from MICHIGAN..they were brought in pick up trucks,if that is correct..after your answer i will have another question, thank you..


why then did those deer not die?i believe that is 15 hr drive?

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Which one is the healthy one?

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Another question? How many of seen deer look like the second photo I posted in Pa. woods over the last 20 years when the herd numbers was high? I can honestly say Not once have I seen a deer look like that. I am sure someone prob seen 1 or 2 of the pastyears, but never in the same year. So how can we conclude that deer are over populated and starving from lack of food during winter if there is no physical looking evidence? It's like a skinny chick and a fat chick. They both can be healthy but unlike deer, Most would prefer the thinner chick over the fat one. If a deer is under 100lbs and looks healthy without ribs showing it still must be starving and unhealthy because it isn't chunky.

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Ihave seen deer that looked pretty close to that in the ANF and on the game lands near East Branch Dam along the Shawmut RR Grade. i will grant you that it has been at least 15 years ago though. I havent been in that area for that long but I have seen some pretty skinny and small deer in the ANF more recently but thats been more than 5-6 years ago.


Sproul, where can we find those pictures? Do they really exist?

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When the deer were restocked in Pennsylvania they came from several states, not just Michigan and many of the reintroduced deer actually came from captive deer herds’ right here in Pennsylvania.

Many of those deer that came here from other states came by railroad.

I am also quite sure that many of those deer, that were being shipped here, did die while being handled at the capture site, while in transit and even after being released. Just because they didn’t wave a banner proclaiming how many deer died through the process sure doesn’t mean the mortality wasn’t high.

When we handle a deer and it dies from that stress we don’t run news articles about it or anything like that. We don't hide it but we don't advertize it either; it is just one of these factors that isn’t advertised or promoted to the public or themedia.

Just to put the affects of handling deer in perspective all you have to do is take a look at the mortality causes of the does that died after being handled in the two recent study areas. Those are deer that weren’t even moved, only captured, collared and quickly released at the same location they were captured.

Of the 109 does handled in those two study areas, between January 2005 and June of 2006, seven of them were known to have been capture related mortalities with another nine being unknown cause of mortality and possibly stress related. That is equal to the sixteen that were killed by hunters.

Remember those are deer that were not moved but only captured thenquickly and professionally handled and released back into the same place they were captured. Just think how much higher that mortality would have been if they had been relocated and dumped out in a new area. Even deer propagators, who are working with domestic deer that are accustomed to being touched and handled by people, have high mortality rates when they start moving them around.

Trap and transfer of deer just doesn't work very well. Deer are to high-strung to survive the stress without being injured or just outright dying in the process.

R.S.Bodenhorn

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I saw lots of deer that looked that poor right here in Elk County during the winters of 2002/2003 and then again one year later during the winter of 2003/2004.

Some of those deer died during the last few weeks of those winters and of those does that did barely survive they were so under nourished they didn’t produce very many fawns that weighed enough to survive after they were born.

R.S.Bodenhorn

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When did they start the deer herd reduction? And if that many was to weak to give birth and you knew that winter took a toll on the deer in them 2 seasons why did the PGC still gave out those large numbers of doe tags?

And how do you know them deer died at the lastfew weeks of winter. And shouldn't this been documented along with pictures. How is anything to be done properly or changed to correctif events like thiese are not documented. On a large scale you speak of, it should of been documented. Any specialist in a field would document these things. True?

How did they elk do up there? I would think worse because they eat more than the deer?

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Concurrent buck/doe season started in 2001 I believe



Maybe so it wouldnt happen again???

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Sproul, where do these photos exist??

If they really exist and they're published as you imply, please let us know where to find them.

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The pics of Deer - where were they taken??The crippled deer doesn't look to be anything but crippled(3 legs).Matter of fact maybe he's scratchin his Arss with the leg.Lousy pic to judge much of anything.

The 2nd deer - looks fine to me.I have dozens of trail cam pics taken in early spring showing ribs - and some bucks looking a bit scrawny that just months before looked Very "Fat and Sassy".

What is the point??

I would also like to see those secret decoder copyright deer pics.As BTB stated if there copyright they gotta be published somewhere??

Where

Would speak volumes as to the validity of said poster - Do you Think.

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georgepoker

Here we go again with the Pa slaughter agenda.Its been beat to death every week,month for 2-3 yrs.

Hint - Hint - We ain't gonna listen to it for another Nano Scond.