i was hunting sgl252 this year..i did not see 1 deer in this GREAT HABITAT..i saw very few squirreals ,no grouse, very few pheasants, saw 1..

i got to talk to locals and all said same thing, it is greatest HABITAT you would ever see but NO DEER or game..

my question is this, DCNR AND PGC says,SPROUL ITS HABITAT IS WHY YOU DONT HAVE DEER IN WMU2G,WAKE UP SPROUL..

well, my question back is, WHY WITH THE BEST HABITAT IN WORLD IN SGL252 you dont see deer or bird and very few squirreals?

oh, maybe they are WAYBACK!!!!

i did some small game hunting in Towanda this week and didnt kick up one deer. we shot ALOT of rabbits and some grouse, but saw no deer, didnt kick up any at all. very scary.

same i saw when hunting SGL252 at wiliamsport,pa..

i could not believe the HABITAT in there..great for deer and small game..no deer..locals said the hunters killed as the PGC wanted, shooting fawns..

kobear, i believe we are not good hunters anymore..dcnr and pgc says,THEY ARE WAYBACK..think for minute,they say there all deer,we say there are not..

they even have their cronies say,I SAW 5 BUCK LAST WEEK GUYS,THEY ARE OUT THERE, LOTS OF DEER..

i will tell you what is out there, a lot of FIBBERS!!

I know the area along rte 144 had a huge fire a few years back.It's thick as can be in there.Don't worry though sproul,they want to produce clearings to bring the elk in and make that area an elk veiwing forest for tourism.

Actually if you have great habitat, you should also have a bunch of squirrels, grouse, turkeys, birds, and other animals. The fact that you don't indicates that you really don't have as great habitat as you think you do. There is more to habitat than just having a forest. Maybe you should do some study on the subject?

My thoughts exactly!

If deer don't have sufficient high quality browse,it's poor deer habitat.Unfortunately,that's the case across much of the northern tier.

Sorry Baily but greenbriar wasn't found around here in abundance until the herd was reduced.It still isn't that abundant in many areas after a cut.Westill have huge amounts of pole timber with nothing but a blanket of ferns on the forest floor and an understory that you can see through for hundreds of yards.

The PGC does habitat improvements on the gamelands and in fact,our game lands around here have some of the best habitat around.The problem is,the state can't cut more than 1% of it's forest andthey can only control the habitat on the gamelands,which is a small part of the total land mass.

What percent of the forests do you feel should be cut every year?

I live is northern Clearfield county.I hunt this area,Elk county,parts of 2F and cameron county.Most of this is state forest property and property owned by timber companies,open to the public.I also hunt a great deal on SGL 77 and 93,both in Clearfield county.The habitat is excellent on both of those game lands but that land is a very small piece of the pie.

The game lands are mandated to be managed for a variety of wildlife,not just deer.Some species thrive in mature woods and othersdo better in a mixed habitat.All of this is taken in to consideration.

The deer herd did prosper after the northern tier was raped of it's timber.Unfortunately those prosperous times won't last long because eventually that habitat turns in to pole timber and is useless to deer for decades.We're on a 100 year rotation to keepus from being in that predicament again.I answered your question now answer mine.How much do you think they should cut each year.

8 PGC employees maintain this SGL252 at williamsport, year round..

are you saying that the PGC does not know how to grow and maintain a SGL252 for game?