That type of comment is exactly why we have professional foresters and biologists running the show.If we cut 25% of the forests,we'd have nothing but a huge clearcut in 4 years.Within about 10 years,we'd have all of out timber in the pole stage which would support less than 5 dpsm.

Does anyone believe that timbering practices as we have seen conducted by the PGC would stay the same if/when DCNR takes over?

Do you think that DCNR will only cut .5% of the stated goal of 1.% for several years running as PGC did, if it takes control of Game Land forests?

And finally, because the PGC was neglegent in achiving that stated goal of 1.%....who profitedfrom that failure?

What do want to know about me?I'm not trying suck up to anyone.If you need to know,I have an Allstate agency.

I do nothing under the cloak of the internet.I'd be more than glad to show you dozens of examples of failed regeneraion caused by an overpopultaion of deer and poor habitat conditions.

DOUGE,then explain why STATEGAMELANDS 252 has GREAT HABITAT and no deer,no squirreals, very few grouse,very few pheasants..

DOUGE,i know you dont agree with this,i said it before, take walk in woods, right now, and you will be seeing plants getting sunshine and GROWING,yes douge, growing..

we are having LONGER growing seasons now for last 5 years or so here in pa.do to elnino effect..this is causing the plants to get about 3 months more growing time..plants are bloomimg in march and still are in woods..

its NOT lack of deer that is causing things to grow..

we should only have 2 months of cold weather this winter, thats at least 9 months of growing ..hell, my apples are blooming again ,this is 3rd winter that has happened..

so, hope you understand that LACK OF DEER is not causing forest to grow ,its the LONGER SEASONS..

I was up there for hunting and never saw a deer, I rode on Sunday in parts of Sproul SF and Beech Creek mountain road and out on 144 for 6 hrs in a Jeep, got out walked around, never saw a deer, Never saw a deer for 4 days, saw lots of rubs in Sproul along trails and gas line roads, but never saw a deer the entire time I was in Pa. DCNR told me to go to Coon Run Rd and all those surrounding roads....I would see deer , no such luck....

Bailey -

The PGC doesn't not approach the "powers to be" for seasons and bag limits. That is set yearly by the Board of Commissioners. The next Commission meeting is scheduled for January 21-23 here in Harrisburg. Everyone is welcome to attend.

Fines are set in Title 34 and we are currently working, at the request of a Representative, tointroduce a revision to that section of the code.

The PGC doesn't not need any legislation to harvest timber or do any other type of habitat improvement work. Those goals are set by the Executive Director for each region on a year to year basis. Contracts are set over a two year period hence the occasional fluctuations. Some years are higher and others lower.

my camp was in coon run rd area when we had deer..i grew up in that area..i have friends there in camps..

lets start with BUCK RUBS..do to lack of doe,the bucks that are left are traveling great distances to find a doe in heat..

i have never seen this in my lifetime hunting..i saw buck this year that was at least 3 miles from where i saw him a week ago..that buck rubbed trees for 3 miles..bucks used to stay within 1 mile in that area, not anymore..

the hunters, which i interviewed as most are friends in that area said, sproul, we never saw this before in our life, bucks ,we cant pattern them as they dont stick around in 1 area..

we saw scrapes this year that we felt bucks never came back to check out and saw bucks at night 3 miles away from where we saw them weeks ago...

now for seeing deer in that area..only people that see all these deer are DCNR and pennstate boys/girls..of course, they are better hunters than us,hmmmmmmmmm..

here is what is interesting, if there was so many deer in that area,why dont the DCNR friends i know HUNT THERE??hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,interesting, isnt it..

you proved that what you hear is not,TRUTH..i am not saying there is not some deer in that area..that area NEVER was great deer area here in clinton county..

look at ground when you walk the pipelines or trails..

this is where you will see deer POO..if no poo,no deer..

i was hunting deer in HYNER RUN AREA..i bet i did not see more than 6 piles of deer poo all season there..i asked other hunters if they saw any, most never saw a pile or only 1 pile..

i guess deer are WAYBACK,thats it, WAYBACK..only a fool would believe that buzzword..

Sproul,I've never been to SGL 252 so i can't tell you about the deer.I can tell you that I see deer almost every time I hunt on SGL93and SGL77 even though mnay swear there's no deer there either.No I don't see things growing right now so you're theory about a longer growing season holds no water.

Baily,I never said the food and cover corps is doing as much as they could.I've said they do alot with the manpower and resources they have,which is true.They haven't had a raisein over 9 yeras.I wonder if overheads has gone up since then?The PGC never split up doe season.