ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

Uh Oh! LP has exposed the conspiracy!! The PGC is buying wildlife to reintroduce into PA! I guess they're taking that doe tag money and buying coyotes and cougars,right?

ORIGINAL: Sport 2

L/P,

As I said in my post I was a PA resident all of my life until 2 years ago. And have been hunting there sinse I was 12.
I'm not going to argue that there are bad apples inthe group of out of state hunters, because I agreewith you 100% many areslobs. However, I'm sure that just as high of a percentage (probably higher) of instate guys are slobs as well.
And actually I do agree that out of state hunters should pay more for a liscense. I already pay about $160 which is about triple instate costs, and I feel that is enough. In PA this year I've shot 1 wood duck, and 4 pheasants. I have noteven shot adeer ( I've had several opportunities on decent bucks that I passed on to hopefully let them grow another year).
And you know what, I'm ok with that, because I pay to hunt, not to kill, and I enjoy hunting. I feel like I got plenty of enjoyment out of my $160 to do it again.
But if the PGC were to double the cost to a Ridiculous amount,I could no longer justify it to my wife or myself. And I'm sure the same would happen with most out of state guys. Along with them leaving, so would all the revenue from out of state sales. So thenext yearPGC would raise the instate costs, and sell more doe tags (further reducing the herd)to try and fill the void. (sounds like a great part of your plan to me.) which woud lead to even more instate guys callin git quits wich would, again reduce the PGC revinue, causing another raise in fees, and a reduction in services from the PGC. Thus excelling the cycle of the decline of hunting.(great plan)
Also, my family ownes a decent amount of property in PA that we pay taxes on, and we are looking to buy more. So howwould it beit fair that just because my house is 15 miles accross the border that I should have to pay 7 time what an instate guy would pay,have himcome hunt on our land? That he does not pay taxes on. As things are right now all of our property is open to public hunting. AndI would like to keep them that way. But I won't own land, and pay tax on it and not hunt on it. So I'd probably post it and sell a couple guys a hunting lease, to pay for my liscense. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that would do this. (more posted land; that also sounds like a great part of your plan for PA).
Boy, your 'plan' sounds like you put alot of thought in it.
(Further reduce the deer herd, More posted land in PA, cut the PGC funding, loose more hunters, prevent the introduction of new hunters, excell the decline of hunting.) This sound like a great 'plan' to me.

Hey,You still haven't answered my question why you squeeze the trigger and kill deer.Tell us it's fun to killanimals and watch them hit the ground.I thought you wasn't goanna reply to any of my replys.You now just proved yourself a lier.Good job TRYkY. As for the game of chances,I believe they all ready got that. Elk and bobcat tags.

Hey,You still haven't answered my question why you squeeze the trigger and kill deer.Tell us it's fun to killanimals and watch them hit the ground.I thought you wasn't goanna reply to any of my replys.You now just proved yourself a lier.Good job TRYkY. As for the game of chances,I believe they all ready got that. Elk and bobcat tags.

ORIGINAL: quiksilver

PA will always be the same... The guys who fill their tags every year will continue to do so. They find a way to get it done because they're good at what they do. The guys who never get anything will continue to get skunked. Guys will quit, kids will start.

In most areas, successful hunters have already learned how to play their hand - hunting smaller woodlots, wiggling into residential areas, hunting more weekdays, etc... Nothing will change. In order to be successful year in, year out, hunters will have to continue to make the most of their opportunities, get after it hard (as usual) and be resourceful and cunning. Sure, you might have to go an extra mile to butter up a landowner. Sure, you might have to hunt a new spot. Sure, you might have a few bad days or a few run-ins with other hunters, but if you put your nose on the grindstone and hunt hard, filling your tags in the Commonwealth isn't very hard.

I've been huntingall overthis state long enough to know that it's the same story every year.

ORIGINAL: quiksilver

PA will always be the same... The guys who fill their tags every year will continue to do so. They find a way to get it done because they're good at what they do. The guys who never get anything will continue to get skunked. Guys will quit, kids will start.

In most areas, successful hunters have already learned how to play their hand - hunting smaller woodlots, wiggling into residential areas, hunting more weekdays, etc... Nothing will change. In order to be successful year in, year out, hunters will have to continue to make the most of their opportunities, get after it hard (as usual) and be resourceful and cunning. Sure, you might have to go an extra mile to butter up a landowner. Sure, you might have to hunt a new spot. Sure, you might have a few bad days or a few run-ins with other hunters, but if you put your nose on the grindstone and hunt hard, filling your tags in the Commonwealth isn't very hard.

I've been huntingall overthis state long enough to know that it's the same story every year.

ORIGINAL: Windwalker7

I've read many threads about the AR and deer management here in PA. Some are for and some against.

This is what I sse in the future of PA;

More hunters will hang it up over the next few years. With a license increase and less deer this will happen. I know a few who quit last year and stuck to it. They didn't buy a license at sat this year out. My father being one of them.

Less youths taking up hunting. My daughter quit this year. I've talked to a couple youths this years and almost all of them said hunting is boring. I guess when schools push soccer, football, wrestling and other sports, that hunting just isn't as exciting, especially when a kid sits all day and doesn't see a deer.

In the future you will see more posted ground. As more hunters get discouraged, they realize they need to either buy land or lease land to ensure a good place to hunt. As property owners realize hunters are willing to pay money tolease and hunttheir land they will do exactly that. Especially if they know their land holds big bucks or many deer.
PA will become like Texas. Watch for it.

Look for the PGC to cut many of its programs as the number of hunters drop out of the sport due to increased license fees and lack of deer. They won't have the money. I see bigger financial problems on the horizon.

Look for more conflicts among hunters. As hunters start scouting to find better hunting spots, they will encroach on other hunters that already hunt those spots.

Some of the supporters of PA's deer management will find that out. While you may enjoy your honey holes today, it is just a matter of time till they are discovered.


There area few fortunate souls who own their own land, that will suddenly find, they will be dealing with trespassers. Some guys just don't care. They realize their is little a landowner can do to them. I seen this first hand this year.

The future of hunting does not look very bright in my eyes. And to think this was all brought on, in the quest for bigger antlers.

Windwalker, I think your crystal ball is right on the money.
Very good topic, I have seen a lot of changes since I started hunting more than 50 yrs. ago, but the changes I see now is the worst of all.