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i see trend now that will have to be addressed with laws or maybe its already law..

here is few to tell,many before i could talk about that hunters are telling me..

i have spot i have hunted for 42 years..in last 4 years out of state hunters have come into where i hunt..this is STATEFORESTLAND..its publicland land,not private..

i went out sunday to put up my treestand..i usually go into this spot but i knew that others were in there with me last year, so i waited to see if they came this year..i was being nice to give them a little more room to hunt..most would not do what i have..

after i put up my stand ,in came the out of state hunters..they yelled and said, hey, didnt you see all our orange ribbons on trees here?i said yes..they said we came out yesterday and marked our spots, that means this is our spot to hunt..

they also said, you knew we were in here for 4 years now..

i controlled my temper,first, i said , i have been in here for 42 years..means nothing, its STATEFORESTLAND..i also said i could have put my stand up earlier and said as you people have, THIS IS MY SPOT, YOU KNEW I WAS IN HERE FOR 42 YEARS..

my friend called me, same thing, he is 75 years old, has hunted this same area for 60 years..hunter came in 6 years ago and put up the ribbons 2 days before season opened..my friend went there to hunt monday this week..he said he got a knock on hiscamp door ar dark..it was hunter and hunter said,YOU KNEW I HAD MY TREESTAND IN THAT SPOT FOR 6 YEARS..I PUT IT IN THAT SPOT EACH YEAR..YOU SAW MY ORANGE RIBBONS..

THE OLE TIMER SAID, I HAVE BEEN HUNTING THAT SPOT FOR 60 YEARS..its stateforestland ,hev said, i can go anywhere i want..

the treestand hunter said,YOU STAY OUT OF MY SPOT OR YOU WILLFIND OUT!!this took a lot of guts to come to a camp and say this..

i warned that when deer get less hunters greed will take over..

what i am concerned about is that may be our biggest threat to our future hunting..HUNTERS HARRASSING OTHERS ON PUBLICLAND..

i dont like a hunter being 20 or 30 yds from me hunting all day but its PUBLICLANDS and we have no rights to tell another hunter where to hunt or this is my SPOT,even tho i fed deer for 42 years, cut browse, member of sportsman clubs local,paid taxes on land to state..

you can hunt where you want and no hunter should be able to harrass another hunter in woods..

i really think this needs to be looked at by thepgc and dcnr..i have seen hunters that i feel would pull a gun on you to get you to hunt elsewhere..

what is your opinion on this??i am in process of contacting the pgc to find out what laws are in affect..

hunters are getting desperate now and with all doe killing over last 5 years here in pa.herd is way down and hunters are getting desperate for deer..

this could be biggest threat to our hunting other than gun control..

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hunter harrassment laws in NJ are great at protecting the hunters.

i hope they are just as tough on hunters harrassing hunters as they are on outsiders harrassing hunters.

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I think it is more of a lack of respect in society as a whole. No one is considerate of others at all. There's always been actions like this, but in general I think people are more rude these days. I don't think its a matter of the doom and gloom deer herd size, just a matter of society in general.

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You may want tocheck the regs in your state. In most states, it is illegal to mark trees with ribbons/tape on state land. Throw that little bit of info at them.

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I honestly dont think there is anything we can do about this. I live in wisconsin but i like to go back to Pa to hunt. I dont have much time to scout for the out of the way deer spots and every now and then I sit in a spot that someone else is in but if i do i get up right away and leave. I dont know why people fight over spots. I mean come on I am sure if you just walk a little further you will find another spot. You all should just do me one favor and be the bigger person and leave if someone comes into your spot. A deer is not worth getting shot over.

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My cousin and I have been going to the same hunting area for 28 years and we've had a few occassions where guys claimed they have been hunting in the area for 10 years or so. There hasn't been any trouble with these guys to this point and we intend to stay in the area next year and there after. We usually outlast most other hunters there's still plenty of land there for everyone. I just wish they'd sit still a little longer during the day.

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Another reason I hate rifle season, a reason I am a bowhunter and a reason I keep my landowner very happy.

Actually several landowners very happy....

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does anyone know ifthere is law on books if hunter harrasses you while in woods?i heard that gov.rendell signed some kind of harrassment law this year..

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Now thats funny Sproulman!!! Rendell signing something that would help us hunters. Let alone signing anything that would help anyone in this state except for himself.

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Not sure Sproul... sorry to hear about the jerks though. I hunt public land in NJ, and I just keep moving to stay away from others, I find most of those jerks won't go far from a road if they can help it.

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I see ribbons and tacks all the time and I could care less. How are you supposed to know how long they have been there? I also could care less if you have hunted in the same spot for 50 yrs it's first come first serve each year. I always get in extra early just for that reason. When you come walking in and see a flashlight right near where you wanted to hunt its just too bad, you should have got up earlier. Guys are always going to be jerks and it's not just the out of state guys. Don't let anybody intimidate you. You have the same rights in the woods as you have anywhere else. People aren't allowed to go around threatening you with a gun anywhere else, why is it OK in the woods?

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orange ribbons fade overtime..tacks rust..tacks are illegal as loggers can get their saws caught..ribbons are illegal also..

as for first serve, no, on publicland a person that shows up at 10 am can hunt anywhere they like..

just because we are there bright and early ,does not mean we can say this is our spot and to move on..

i had guy sit 20 yds from me and i still got a huge buck this year..i waved nicely at him and he waved back at daylight..i did not get mad but when i was told by others that this was their spot, they had ribbons out, they were here first in morning,4 am they got in their stands, i was in mine at 6.30 am and it was still dark..

no one has right to tell another hunter where he can hunt even if he slept in his treestand or spot on ground over night..

first come, first serve has no place on PUBLICLAND..

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Harassing a hunter is a CRIME punishable by jail time!!!! READ this News Bit...

http://www.ussportsmen.org/interactive/features/Read.cfm?ID=1586

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I love rifle season with hunters in the woods moving the deer to me. I tolerate archery season just because I like to hunt. I'm so tired of sitting in my archery stand only to have somewannabe come sneaking into the area at prime time ..calling it "still hunting". At least when they do this in gun season i can reach out and tap the deer they push ahead of them.
IMHO rifle season should be in late October early Novemberand archerypost Christmasonly.

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Well, between this thread and others here, you seem to have tried your best to offend almost everyone here with almost every post you've made. Are you not getting enough attention at home?

Won't uncle Uly play checkers with you or what?

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You are right.Or after the rut and not before.This would let the bigger bucks have a chance to breed.How many are takin out of the gene pool before they get this chance?But I am sure everyone who wantslarger racked bucks would agree with this proposal.What do all you horn hunters think?Good idea to help the big buck genes roll over.

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We'd also have a better gene pool if people didn't kill 7 button bucks between the 2 of them.

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How do you know?The ones I shot had little bitty nobs.If it was goanna be a real trophy,I think it would of had spikes that you could see from a hundred yards.The ones I shot was just ordinary Pa. BBs nothin special to them.They could of been the offsprings of that little 9er I got last year.I am glad I took him out of the pool game.I don't know about eagle chickie BBs now.

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I guess none of us will ever know.

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lead poisoner, why don't you pick up a bow and learn to shoot it. My guess is your not talented enough or don't have the patience. It would make you a much better hunter and you would learn the difference between a button and a fawn doe. Now on to this statement:

Fawns carry buttons thier first year. On a very rare occaision will they ever sport spikes. Sounds like you just like to shoot fawns. When you shoot a button you remove the unknown from the gene pool. How long you been hunting anyway? Seems to me you have a lot to learn about deer and deerhunting. Just ask, we will teach you;)
I learned somethingjust the otherdayalthough I don't buy into itfrom someone on here about deer tracks. Your never too old to learn.

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EC doesn't care about gene pools of deer any place other than the farm I live on. Matters little to me what sired my sausage!
Iam an active archer some of my best bucks including my largestcame in archery season. But I don't think archers have anymore rights to demand no intrusions into "their month and one half " than anyother group.
Maybe Pa should have a split rifle season like some midwestern states. 2 wks bow followed by3-5 days rifle/shotgun buck or doe followed by a week just prior to Thanksgiving for mz & bow again then 1 week buck only with gun.
That would take some of the bucks off the habitat that are going to be harvested later under the plan in place now. Just like the theory behind early anterless MZ/Jr/Sr season.
Is it a question of improving habitat??? or antlers for the bone crowd?????????

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Actually I own two fully loadedbows,Ones a mathews solo cam ultra light and the other is a hoyt something fire or fire something I think.I haven't used these bows in over 8 or 9 years.They are just collecting dust.I been hunting for over 26 years.I have prob took more deer than you could imagine.I do know the difference from a BBs and doe fawns.The concept you are missing is I don't and never cared about the head gear.I was just content getting a buck on any size.I have never had the opportunity to shoot anything under a sixer.Hard to believe,But it's true.I have takin over 30 bucks in my 26yrs of hunting and twice as many does and BBs.In my first 15 yrs I was an outlaw.All my family members was.But we never let a singledeer go to waiste.When you start getting older and maturer your way of thinking changes.I have allways been big on deer and population.Call me what you want,bambi killer, BB slayer.I am not goanna cater to you head gear hunters by letting BBs walk.They are notthe ones who produce the fawns,It is the does that do.I will keep taking BBs over does until the population of deer rises if it ever does again.So you can just count on me pluggin away on BBs and bucks till then.If you or anyone else thinks BBs or bucks are the producers of deer,You better go back to sex education class.One buck can breed with 20+ does.Without the does you have no deer.And if bucks was and still isa big concern,How the hell do you explain the large deer population before the doe slaughter happened?So don't tell me about what animal I should shoot to help the deer herd.Are you people that ignorant or just want to have bucks every where to make it easy to bag one.Screw your AR program and your big bucks.If your not talented to locate or find one,Then maybe you need to do some pre scouting in different locations.

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what they want is what they been brainwashed to think.... that you need less doe to have bigger bucks...... how do they explain the midwest Canadian provinces/lots of deer in the farm belt of Saskatchewan,lots of big bucks too....it isn't hunter numbers asthe locals only can hunt there and shoot any deer they want/several in a season. I have friends that live south of Saskatoon in the resident only areas. They see 150 deer per day and each won't as much as considernot killing a any sex or age deer.

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Yes,very true.But when they say about shooting BBs,They just want more bucks out there cause they are not talented enough to find them unless there is one behind every tree.They are brain washed to think that as you stated.You can have a large herd of deer and still have your big bucks all so.But for bigger bucks you need plenty of food. This is where they are not educated enough to understand that there is enough food for the developments of racks and healthy deer.The time deer season roles around is when the weather usually starts getting bad.Up untill this point deer have plenty of food and it's easier to find before the weather really starts getting bad.It's not till late winter when the deer start haveing problems if they do finding food.So in my book the food issue is not a concern for healthy mature bucks or a deer herd up to season.
Yes,some deer may be malnutritoin during the winter with large numbers,But they are still healthy.This brings me and allways has to the conclusion that it's not because of food but because of deer and human conflict.Mostly the insurance companies and the timber industries. They got the horn hunters to believe the less does(smaller deer population)the bigger the bucks.This is so untrue.As you said it,They are brain washed.

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Look LP, I'm not trying to incite here and I really don't care what you shoot, I never told you what to shoot and as far as the gene pool, well I was just replying to what you said above. You are the one to have brought up the gene pool. I have shot many deer too and don't shoot the buttons or any fawn for that matter, guess I just grew soft in my ageing:D. The only reason I mentioned taking up bowhunting was because you sounded distrout (sp) about the season ending and I was just suggesting a way to prolong it, no disrespect aimed at you and I don't think you took as such by your reply. Alls good;).

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It was more directed at the ones on here who condemn people for shooting fawns and BBs.Good to see a few on here who doesn't lock down on that side.It's all good as you said there Rickmur.

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condemn is not what we think of someone who shoots fawn..person that does this was brought up wrong or never had a father that showed him right from wrong..

i have friends that shoot bb and doe fawns this year..why did they do this?

because in their genes they were raised GREEDY..greed says to them IF I DONT SHOOT THAT FAWN,SOMEONE ELSE WILL..its in their background..everyone i see doing this are people that dont care and would screw you in life and at work etc..

its society and GENES that those hunters have..they cant help themselves, its in their blood..

there are not many sportsmen left now,i think many are on here and share same opinions ..

to be proud to shoot a fawn is something that is hard for sportsmen to understand..

it all goes back to that hunters GENES and if he had father ,that cared..most likely ,he did not!!

SADLY, I SEE THAT TYPE OF HUNTER NOW MORE THAN YEARS PAST AND WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS ON SHOOTING FAWNS, THIS COULD BE THE BIGGEST THREAT TO OUR FUTURE OF DEER HUNTING ..

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You think it mattered to our forefathers if someone shot a fawn?Not in the least.It was about the food.This tradition still goes on today for many.It's about the food.Some are still holding this tradition as many are trying to change it.I think you should look back at the reason they hunted and do the same to keep the heritage alive.Nice story there about fathers not caring.Thats a load of crap on a donkeys cart.Unless you are a new sportsman to this and forgot the real reason we hunt.It's tradition to kill for food and feed your family and friends.You think when they had the first thanksgiveing with the indians that they said,Hey red feather,Don't shoot that fawn it's to young? Go look for another one.Not hardly.And I see this tradition slipping away from future hunters who watch to much hunting on tv.Your forefathers would slap you silly and call you Sally and make you wear a dress for being soft hearted when it came to hunting.

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lead, hunting with dad and his 8 brothers, my uncles,they lived off the meat..

never once did i see any of them kill a FAWN..

they knew if they killed a fawn, that was next years buck or doe that with have young fawns..

we had open sights back in early 60s, no scopes..

dad would say, SPROUL,only shoot a big doe..same with bucks, we never killed a spike..

it was something to stand there with deer coming and you had to pick out the big ones with open sights..

this is why i cant take excuse from hunter that he did not know it was fawn..

we are not out to say we a BIG HUNTERS..better than others..we are out to say, if you kill fawn or small doe,you are not going to have deer in next year ..

we are seeing this now in WMU2G here in pa..i only saw 4 fawns all summer here in clinton/potter county..i used to see 150 fawns..

so, hunters have to wake up and see what they are doing is going to ruin future for kids..

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Sproulman,All I want to know is what the difference if you bag that deer as a fawn or as an adult deer?That deer is goanna die eventually in it's life by a hunter.I see no difference other than the meat is tender and I am not hurting the population next yearby taking a fawn and not a mature doe.I will Take BBs over a doe just because the BBs don't pop fawns out of it two or three at a time.This is more about how people look at it.I am not condeming anyone for shooting mature does carrying twins.If they want to, then that's their prefrence.The ones who shoot the fawns are not taking away from next years deer population as if someone shot a mature doe.You sound like a good person there sproul as many do on here,But we all don't see things at the same eye level.

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LP this is silly to compare our forefathers to todays hunters. The early settlers had no real choice but to take from the land. Todays hunters have a grocery or conveinience store on every other corner. I think today it is less about food and more about the macho image. The food (meat)is secondary to most of todays hunters.


I've never seen so many button bucks and fawns killed as I have in the past 5 years. I'm with sproulman on this point. We usually had 6 to 8 guys in our group inmy younger days, NEVER was a button buck or fawn shot purposely. Sometimes a button buck would be shot by accident ..YES, but never doe fawns. It just was an unwritten rule.

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LP the only thing the horn crowd has against the taking of BB is that it takes away from their chance at horn....is there anyone that thinks I care if someone doesn't get a set of antlers to put out on the shed???????
As much as one group may scream let the little bucks pass
I scream let the mature breeding age does pass

As much as one group screams they want to only harvest mature bucks
I scream I only want to harvest deer other than breeding class doe

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You still haven't answered my question? Is it fun to kill deer?

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NO! I wouldn't call taking the life of any animal fun per say. I don't need to pull a trigger to have fun in my life. Sorry, I'm just not that shallow. I hunt deer primarily because I like venison, but I don't always have to kill one due to the overabundance of Grocery stores nowadays. I find deer hunting for me is more a spiritual connection with the outdoors. I don't have to kill little button bucks or fawns or even mature does to fullfil those connections. Would I like to take a few more big bucks in my lifetime? Sure! Who wouldn't. But I don't need to prove I'm a man by killing anything that moves....FOR FUN! As you so eloquently put it in one of your previous posts. There is nothing illegal about killing button bucks or fawns and you have every right to. But to brag about it is something else. It isn't hard at all to kill either of your choices of deer. Not much challenge there LP.

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Still looking forward to those 135 to 165 class Pa buck pictures. Your hoping we forget about that don't you? Stalling?

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This is OFF TOPIC as much of this thread is becoming.One Thought.

You'd be amazed at how many hunters need that venison to help feed the family.The only problem with the need is the "Brown is Down" theory.
If its legal there isn't much you can say.Just don't complain later.

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If it's primary for venison then why don't you call the PGC and ask them for some.There are many fresh road kills that they would give you if you wanted.Are you not killing big bucks to show your ego and to prove your a man just to kill it and hang on your wall?Whats so spiritual to kill a deer? Your all at peace sitting in the woods with nature.A deer walks out KABOOM.So much for keeping it spiritual.




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I don't know who you are referring to,But I enjoy the kill as much as the venison if not more. I hunt along with many more hunters just for the kill. How many people hunts yote just for the fun of the kill.People don't eat them and they can't say it's for the money either.It's for the fun.Same as with bobcats,skunks,opossums. Just for the thrill.The adriline that flows thru our veins when we squeeze that trigger. Adrilin junkies.

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Yeah Ok I see no matter what answer anyone gives you'll still want to argue. Whatever! Why would I want a road kill when I choose to pass on deer if I don't need it? I'm not killing big bucks for my ego either. I told you I'm fine with who I am. Big Bucks are the most expendable and the most challenge. It lets me stay in the woods longer trying to harvest bigger more mature animals. It's easy to kill young ones.

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I've been dealing with public land all of my hunting life... I love the woods I hunt, but hate the idiots I have to deal with... For me I believe in the first come first serve deal!!!!I always get in the woods early!!! Opening day I was in my stand 1 hour before light... Had a *******stick walk in on me at 10 minutes before legal shooting light... I hit him with my light and he stopped 50 yards from my stand and sat his dumb ****** down... I had to laugh a couple times... Hear I am 20 feet up in a tree in a hang on tree lounge and this dumb *******is sitting on the ground... He was a stubborn ol bird... He hung in there till about 10:30...

Stop trying to skirt the profanity filter [>:]

Thats why I say "Public Land Will Make A Hunter Out Of Ya"!!!!!!!!