RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

There you have it!Of course 2/3 of PA's hunters are supportive of AR's etc so the way to fix things for the USP types is right before your eyes:


Put in some time to learn to be a better hunter,
take a bath,

and find some new hunting ground.;)

Sounds simple enough to me!

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

How much $ does the PGC spend on elk? I dont know. but i know its more than $0
they pay biologists, they do surveys they made viewing areas and so on. again i know they get money from other places for this but same as PF does for pheasants.
im sorry but pheasants can offer a lot more hunting opportunities than elk do in PA.
okay here is a question, if your not for pheasants what do you think they should offer upland birdhunters? or do they just not matter? tell them to go to SD or someplace?
as for a license increase, im for it. i would pay a lot more.

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

Here's some more numbers that speak for themselves:

139 out
of 759 vendors (18%) did not send in reports for the month of August yet.

Funny how you left that out! Was it deliberate or did you just not bother to have all the facts?

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

Perhaps they were told by the PGC to hold their reports so the numbers wouldn't look so bad. Did you ever think of that?

Perhaps Joe neville will give us an update when all the reports are in. Then again he was a little reluctant to give us any figures at all.

Maybe you just don't want to face the fact that the agency is being mismanaged and are trying to divert the blame for their manyfailuresto the USP. But as you can resdily see the percentages speak for themselves. License sales are decidedly D O W NNNNNNNNN.

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

Yep, percentages tell me that potentially 18 walmarts have not reported their license sales yet. I'll reserve judgment instead of going off half cocked that the sky is falling.

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

Really? Let's review. Sales figures were posted at 3:23 yestreday afternoon while I was out of the office. Based on a telephone call I posted info here last night based on what I was told. I didn't see actual figures until this morning.

Reluctant? :D

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

crazyhorse,I didn't say you fall into that category if you didn't kill a deer last year.I said you fall into that category if you hunted for 5 days without seeing a deer.It still amazes me that people continue to hunt in areas where they claim there's no deer.

Pagobbler,the biggest problem with our small game hunting is that habitat is disappearing.The game lands in this part of the state have some of the best grouse habitat around so Idon't know what else the PGC could possibly do.Stocking farm raised pheasants is a huge waste of money.I never saw the thrill in hunting for tame birds that were just released into the wild just as I see no sport in killing a deer from a box blind as it comes into a feeder.

I think uplandbird hunting is great.I just prefer wild birds.Since the PGC can only control the habitat on the game lands,which is a very small percentage of total land mass,the upland hunters are going to have to pony up and do something about it.I belong to the grouse society and sponsor one of their banquets every year.They do all kinds of habitat work and even donated equiptment to the local chapter of habitat unlimited.Habitat is the key but people have to be willing to do more than complain about the lacl of deer and stocked pheasants.It takes more than the cost of hunting lisences to make the differance.

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

Very good thought T. Nah- lets just go off half cocked and stick with the conspiracy theories that seem to prevail in PA.

I can tell you one thing after readin all the negative hype about PA Deer hunting in the last couple years I wouldn't waste a nickel up there on a hunting lisc. You guys have completely turned me and probably many other potential hunters away from PA. Thats a shame.

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

Don't feel like you are out there on your own. Area campground and motel bookings from the always reliable New England archery hunters are non existant from what I've been told.

NON RESIDENT ARCHERY $189,798.00 $162,203.00 * -27,595.00 15 % DOWN

NON RESIDENT *
ADULT $2,493,929.00 $2,157,416.00 * -336,513.00 13 % DOWN

NON RESIDENT *
ANTLERLESS $253,625.00 $160,375.00 * -93,250.00 37 % DOWN

RE: Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

"AJ" I don't believe that it's just us who have turned you or the many, many other out of state hunters off to buying a license in PA. There are far too many hunters who I have talked ( and I've had the opportunity to speak to several dozen this past year) to who hunt the Northern Tier who have told me they did not see a single deer in 2 or 3 days of rifle season on public land or had seen very few deer. They can't all be lazy hunters unwilling to go deep enough or stay long enough or bathe more frequently.

Too often I hear the super hunters say you have to go where the deer are. You have to move. Well, after a considerable investment in a hunting camp one is reluctant to travel clear across the state to hunt when their camp has always produced decent hunting. If I didn't have a camp I'd be trailing Doug up the mountain to his 70 DPSM honey hole. What these people need to do is take a room at theCrittenden Hotel in Coudersport and hunt Dutch Hill and North Hollow for a few days. It's clear that they need to experience some of our pain to fully understand what we're experiencing instead of labeling uslazy, weak, and smelly.

One of the biggest mistakes made in this state was to allow us to get an education. Now we can read, write, add and subtract. By that I mean we can't be fooled by misinformation presented as fact. We can count and understand percentage figures and their rise and fall. We know that forest certification can be more important than game when we talk of Game Lands and the timber on them. We know when false figures such as 1.6 million deer are thrown at us, and some of us are not about to swallow such falsehoods. It casts doubt on everything else the agency puts out, and well we should doubt them when they also know their plan is flawed as they themselves admitted yet allowed a biologist to manage unsupervised and without oversight under the guise of science. (Oh gosh, wasn't Alt the darling of the PGC once:-)

So don't be afraid to buy a non-resident hunting license and docome to Pennsylvania. But do be sure to consider going much deeper intoour woods, hunting longer hours, and please do bathe. Only then will your chances for success be realized.

A question for Joe Neville:

Joe, will you be hunting on a State Game lands the first day of Rifle season?