Penn License Sales-AUGUST 06
 

Joe Neville:

Just a note. As you well know we have just completed a full week ofSeptember and I havent seen you post the figures and averages of Pennsylvania Hunting licenses sold thisAugust as compared to the very same time last year.

I'm hoping that the averages have improved as any loss is unacceptable, or should be to an agency with a $73 Million Dollar operating budget. Would you please be so kind asto post the figures for August 06and thefigures for last August 05so we can see the comparison?

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Who cares about the land of taxes and monkey rulersanymore ???

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Obviously another disappointed non-resident hunter.

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The August general license sales will be interesting when they come out but doe tag sales have been posted daily andhave, so far, been running slightly ahead of last year. Lets all hope the general licenses are doing the same.


BTW Cardeer has been a PAresident for a lotta years. I thought everyone on this board knew that.

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Your right,But I own property in WV now. I can hunt there free and just walk in and get doe tags over the counter. Pa hunting is in the past for me

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I am waiting for the day I plan to hunt to buy my tags ,last year I bought them early with all the extras and ended up hunting only the first 3 days of rifle season and got lucky enough to shoot a good one ,I wisely spent my hunting time out of state and I had lots of hunting time.I wasted my money on those extra stickers in Pa. .I'm not sticking around here come mid oct.,that when my rig leaves this state.

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I can't wait for Cardeer's daily season ticker threads, or is he not doing that this year?

"1st Day for PA deer"
"2nd day for PA deer"
"3rd day for PA deer"
etc.

We love ya bud! Give us some pics of all those outta state deer you're going to get this year. Maybe do a comparison thread of PA vs. your new state this season. I finally figgered out where you moved to, BTW:D

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I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers come out. There are several folks at work that swear they won't waste the money and vacation time this year. I guess we will see.

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REPEAT:

Joe Neville:

Just a note. As you well know we have just completed a full week ofSeptember and I haven't seen you post the figures and averages of Pennsylvania Hunting licenses sold thisAugust as compared to the very same time last year.

I'm hoping that the averages have improved as any loss is unacceptable, or should be to an agency with a $73 Million Dollar operating budget. Would you please be so kind asto post the figures for August 06and thefigures for last August 05so we can see the comparison?

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I imagine lisence sales will be down this year and it the future,they'll probably decline some more.I was at a 3-shoot a couple weeks ago and was surprised to see only 4 junior shooters signed up by the time I left.Several years ago,the sheet would have been filled with youngsters.

I've noticeda steady decrease in pressure for the past several years in this part of 2G.Camps are generally empty during deer season but full during bear season and the mosquito creek coyote hunt.I imagine that alot of this has to do with less deer but it also has to doattrition,gas prices and the fact that deer hunting is better in the southern counties.Alot of people don't have the time to travel to camp anymore so they just hunt closer to home.

We just opened 2200 acres for hunting that hasn't been opened since the 1960's.This area averages over 70 dpsm and there's alot of older age class bucks.We started accepting application over a month ago and so far we have about 60 hunters registered.I figured all 120 slots would have been filled in a week.I really though we'd get more interest considering the fact that there isn't another deer within 500 miles of this place.

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Judging by the brisk trade in antlerless tags, we fewer license buyers must all be purchasing multiple doe tags, for deer that apparently are no longer there according to some.

Keep stompin' that foot, John. Sooner or later Joe will have to come outside to see what all the fuss is about.

[8D]

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Pretty obvious that you don't hunt state land. Particularly the Loyalsock area. Do you ever invite outsiders to hunt that paradise that you've found? Pleae send me a name and address, and I'll go ask permission and help you all out with that deer problem that you are having. I promise not to tell. [:-]

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Youthink youhave me all figured out, so return the favor: Send your name and address and I'll ship you a gross of new handkerchiefs to see you through the seasons.

You can send me new reading glasses.Then maybeI can finallyfind the part where it says all Pennsylvanians shall have access to as many deer as they need to see to behappy....where and when they want them.

Deal? :)

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Save the handkerchiefs. But since your aren't willing to send an invite to me, I'll extend the courtesy to you. Come hunt with me the entire season, at my expense, and let us see if you are still whistling the same tune. I'll even pay for your gas and DMAP tags, which there are plenty left.

Derek Longely
PO Box 29
Forksville Pa
18616

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Just so you know "MtnMeadow", Dennis owns and hunts a 28 acre parcel in N.W. Tioga county and has permission to hunt some adjoining properties that I believe are well posted. Thatobviously allows him to pontificate to the rest of us "lazy" hunters who hunt public land.

The real shame is that Joe Nevillehas not responded with August's hunting license figures. That doesn't look good. Could the percentage of hunters not purchasing licenses be even worse than we dare to imagine?
We all knew that doe licenses wouldbe sold. I bought 3 for 3B. I'm saving them for postarity. I know several fellow hunters who did the same. One guy has so many from his hunting camp that they have begun to "wall-paper a wall with them.

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Small world. I have some family that lives just outside of Westfield. They lost the farm they hunt to a lease last year, and they've been knocking on doors all summer trying to locate another place to huntto no avail.

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Dennis is really a pretty decent fellow. Perhaps he'll share his honey hole with your folks. He just might be able to open some doors for you in his area?

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That'd be nice of him. I'm sure he'denjoy some company?:)

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I ain't that decent of a fellow. :)

Already got plenty of company for 28 acres,come deer season. Cousin sold his nearby dairyfarm several years ago that was in our family since before WWII. Folks that bought it usually get lots of company too, so mycousin and his son mostlyhunt with me now.Some of the other neighborsallow us onthem, but usually stay on my own place opening day, as they do on theirs.

Not a honey hole, but there areabout the same number ofdeer nowthat we had 20 years ago, beforedeer numbers greatlyexpanded. Alot more posted land near Westfield than there was back then, but stillland ownersthat allow hunting with permission. Been my experience that aboutthe only people around therethat won't allow otherhunters, are guys from downstate that've bought hunting land up there.

Since most of them are gone by the middle of the first week, the locals hunt where they want to the rest of the season. Don't need to pontificate about "lazy" hunters, but do occasionally point out that some are more inclined to whimper about things not suiting them, than others are.

I've hunted the same areas of Potter and Tiogacountiesfor over 45 years. Up until the mid-70s deer were scarce there, like they are now in other areas. Unlike some I see here, none of us ever complained about not enough deer back then, we just went hunting every fall and eventually things got better.

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Don't let the fact that Denny weaseled out of offering you an invitation to hunt his private preserve get you down "MtnMeadow." Allow me to extend an invitation for you and your family members to hunt my personal honey hole, State Game Lands #12 and #36, which encompass some 42,000 acres of prime deer hunting land. These are what the PGC refer to as the "Jewels" of the agency. I'm sure you will be much impressed.

I must state that you will not be permitted to build any large canopied tree stand (house), and there won't be any need to carry a "Pee Bottle." This is an area where you will have to HUNT, rather than simply SHOOT as is the case on many small parcels.
You will be hunting what some folks refer to as"The Big Woods" rather than any groomed areas (Plots)planted (Baited) with alfalfa crops, Corn and White Clover. The deer will be in a much more wild state. You will have to cover several miles of land and the drag may well be over a mile and sometimes several miles. So no lard a$$'s. You'd better be in reasonable shape.No 4 wheelers on this parcel, No Sir!

Also, there is no need to worry about the locals trespassing as we hunters own the whole parcel (42,000 acres) and besides the locals will be busy trespassing on their flat lander neighbors property while the owners areaway working to pay the taxes and the electric that keep the prices for these things down for the locals. It's a shame these locals have to resort to breaking the very laws they want enforced so they can fill their tags. The benefit that derives from this infraction of the law is that I'm sure they all fill out and send in their report cards. So all in all there is some good that results.

Another benefit of this area is that we can have dinner at night at Mike's in Forksville and not only have a good meal, but enjoy top flight entertainment.

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What's thatphrase that peopleuse so oftennow to describe someone who is constantlyupset about so many things: "They have many unresolvedissues"?

:eek:

If I spent all that time and energy pizzin and moanin' about where and how I hunted, compared to how other people hunt,probably wouldn't enjoy my hunting experience asmuch. Probably wouldn't need a pee bottle either.

:)

John, how does one condemn others forinvesting their energy and money toown a place of their ownto hunt on, then turn around and criticize locals for trespassing on such lands when the owners have gone home?

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Dennis, it was you who admitted that the locals in your area regularly trespass. Now you seem to wish to justify that foul act. You can't have it both ways, it's either wrong or not. I'm much surprized that you would condone such criminal acts. I would hope that your not a participant in these unlawful acts. Those flat landers may be absent, but I do believe that the law still applies when they are not there. You might want to check on that.

More importantly, WHERE IS JOE NEVILLE with the hunting license sales figures for August? Perhaps the agency has silenced him. This doesn't bode well.

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First of all, it was very near the end of August before Julys number were out so it seems you're barking way too soon. Second, I'm sure Joe Neville will respond as soon as he has the numbers but he might just wait long enough for you and all your USP fanatic friends to make all kind of noise so that you embarass yourselves again like you did when you tried to put your spin on the July numbers

Very appropriate T in PA3 !!!!!

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What is there to admit? Merely stated what happens most places where people buy land, post it for their own use, then those that've lived around there all their lives, hunt on it againonce the owners have gone home.

Many times those that buy land and post it, once hunted in the area with permission, then repay the favor by excluding those very people upon whom they once depended for a place to hunt.

That happened with an aunt's farm in Potter Co. over 35 years ago. The family from the Lehigh Valleythat bought it, had hunted around there for years, then posted the place and informed all the neighboring farmers they could no longerhunt on their farmland.

One neighbor told the new guy that he'd never set foot on my aunt's place, but since he nowwasn't welcome there, the new owner who had huntedthat neighbor's600 acrefarmfor years, was no longer welcome there either. Sounded about right to me.

[8D]

As for the latest license sales figures, I expect they'll be out soon, just as theyusually are abooutthis time of year.Will youpout if theyshow less of a decline thanyou anticipated, or continue togloat if they've dropped?

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Is that the best you can do? Childish name calling? Try acting like a responsible individual rather than a wounded fawn. Your response is juvenile at best. Stick to the facts.

The numbers spoke for themselves. They will speak for themselves again. Lets see the figures! It's a fact that the agency suffered a loss of some 6% last year. Can they afford another 6% this year? Is it acceptable to the agency to hemorage 6% every year? Any business that operated under those conditions would soon be writing in the Red. OH! Yes, the agency IS writing in the Red. My, my, surprize surprize!

The agency is more interested in the propagation of fishers than in pheasants. How many hunters will pay for a license to go into the woods to observe a fisher as opposed to hunters who would buy a license and go hunt pheasants?
It appears the agency has their priorities mixed up.

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Dennis:

Regardless of the circumstances of purchase or previous allowances trespassing is still against the law. For you to condone such behavior is reprehensible. What other laws do you condone breaking? How about those who take that "extra" deer for "Camp Meat." After all, we do have an over abundance of deer. What can be wrong with a little "Camp Meat?"

I can only wonder what Rick Shire would say about this?

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How'd you manage to make that leap from my observations about what often happens in rural PA concerning locals and flatlanders (your term), to assuming thatI condone trespassing and poaching? C'mon now, get ahold of that imagination and settle down a bit.

[8D]

As I understand it, he goes by Rich.

Never met him yet, but our former WCO here at homeclaims Shire is a good guy. I believe they graduated in the same class and have remained friends. I don't worry much about WCOs, as mostthat I've met have been fairly congenial. Have met a few deputies that were lacking in that department though.

Getting back on topic, I figure the latest sales stats will likely be common knowledge by the end of this week, or the beginning of next week? Unless your usual source jumps the gun again and rushes out there with whatever he can glean, correct or not.

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Dennis, it's obvious that you know these folks..."Since most of them (downstate, your term)are gone by the middle of the first week, the locals hunt where they want to the rest of the season." I have to assume that they're your friends or at least aquaintences or you wouldn't have that knowledge.

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I guess Dennis isn't going to take me up on the invitation afterall. Probably for the better though. I don't think I'd want a fellow that endorses illegal behavior tailing along anyway.[:'(]

I talked to my family up in Westfield this evening, and they assured me that they wouldn't dream of trespassing on anyone elses land, and they don't know of anybody that does. Must be "family tradition".[:@]

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I've heard from a trusted source that the numbers have beencalculated but have been hidden away1 mile from the nearest roadon an unnamed game lands. Maybe some brave member of the USP spin team would dare to venture that far from his car and uncover them before the PGC decides to let them out. Well.... maybe not;)

Actually, I understand that they consistently come out around the 15th of the following month, for every month. I'm surprised you didn't know that Crazy Horse, Or did you.........

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How many people hunters do you see 2.5 miles back in during deer season?

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Last rifle season we got a fair amount of snow. I grabbed the snowshoes and headed back into some fields that no one in their right mind would trudge through the snow to hoping to catch a deer at some point in them. What I found was all the deer tracks I found were with in 200 yards of the road and cabins/houses I parked by. The farther back I got there wasn't tracks to be found. Snow less than 24hrs old if that.

I hunted the rest of the season closer to where I parked and saw deer. All SF land.

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Bitter? Me? That was done tongue in cheek. Thats what the ;)is for. I'll let the rest of the audience here decide who's bitter here.

There was the day when I made it a point to get at least 1-2 miles in to hunt. Since a bad case of pneumonia left me with permanent irreversible heart damage in early 2005 I dont go far at all. When bowhunting out west in Colorado, it was part ofour daily routine to get in 5-6 miles every day on foot. In Pa, most of my remote hunting has been in the ANF and there are truly very few places where a hunter can get much more than 2 miles in but I did it all the time when I was healthy. I can also say that the number of hunters I saw went down drastically after the first half mile and the odds were about 50/50 that encountering another hunter more than a mile back meant I had found a lost hunter.

take a chill pill, have a beer, go punch a punching bag, take a few deep breaths, do whatever but calm down.And then maybe once you calm down you can show us what "substance" is because I havent seen much from you yet. The "substance" of your posts has been that you hate the PGC. OK we get it!

That buck was shot on private land in Illinois. Oh, andby the way, my favorite stand there is just under a mile from the truck.

Well, we'll all know in just a few more days won't we? I will refrain from making any predictions other than to say that your comments afterward will either be derogatory and counterproductive if the trend is behind last year or you will claim some new conspiracy if the numbers dont support your predictions made above.

I dont blame Joe Neville for not responding to you. You obviously arent looking for the information, you're looking for fodder for your USP spin machine. I'm sure that when the figures are available, Joe Neville will get them out quickly. I'm just as sure that he's well aware of this thread but Id bet he has probably heard this proverb:

"Never try to teach a pig to sing, it merely frustrates you and annoys the pig."

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Sounds about right to me, all things considered.:)

I generally just go as far as needed to be amongst the deer, be it one hundred yards from the road, or a half mile.

Even shot one from the back porch in doe season one year. Wasn't my fault they ran through the woods out back, when I'd come in for lunch, was it? Also picked off a few across the valley over a period of several years...rightfrom the dooryard, with a 25-06 andHarris bipod. Kinda gave that up, more fun to root 'em out and shoot 'em with an antique lever gun.

As always, deer is where ya find them.

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I don't know. I've never been back that far :D:D:D:D:D

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Isn't that the truth, I see he decided to turn his attacks on you BT.


I think he also dislikes Bowhunters alot. He accused me in another post of being mad at grouse and small game hunters. Actually I think he's the one mad at Bowhunters for being in HIS woods. Sure get that impression from his posts. Whatever! He just wants to argue with someone and I'm sure he'll be coming back around and throwing more insults soon.

Here's the actual quote


What a riot!:D

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Yep, take out a map and try to find a patch of territory in PA that has a 4 mile wide roadless section. Very few places left.
I guess the nice bucks outside those remote places aren't really deer and hunting close to civilization aint really hunting. If that is the case I shouldn't really have to pay for it now either.

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2 1/2 miles?????? I've never hunted that far!

Heck, the places I have permission to hunt, aren't that big. If I walked 2 1/2 miles I'd be on someone elses property.

I'm lucky to go a couple hundred yards. Of course I hunt Greene county mostly. If you've ever hunted there, it is hilly with lots of fields and broken woodlots.


I like hunting farms where the farmer has corn. Especially if it is the only cornfield around for several miles. Those cornfields draw in deer like a magnet. Then again, I'm not what you call a trophy hunter.

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Let him bring it on! I can handle it! I've been married for almost 30 years. This is a walk in the park!


I have no doubt he'll be back and I agree that he dislikes bowhunters. Probably one of those that tried awhile back to take awayour two weeks in November. As if archers are taking too many deer. I think we are dealing with a bitter, frustrated individual that the good lord himself probably couldn't please.

Now to get back on the topic, I expect that we'll see the numbers this week. I would also expect that, regardless of Augusts numbers, another small drop in license sales for the year is possible. Not only because some casual hunters have gotten somewhat discouraged in seeing a few less deer. that may be a very small part of it.But more importantly, because the youth of our state and every other state is not taking the interest in any of the outdoor sports that the previous generation has. As older hunters retire from the sport, too few young hunters are taking their place. There are lots of reasons for this Over the years I've worked with youth as a JOAD (Junior Olympic Archery) coach,and currentlyas a Scoutmaster. Todays youth have many more demands on their time and I see many hunting parents who just don't take their kids with them. Our local sportsmans club has an annual youth field day and I have taken myscout troop it several times. It amazes me when the son of a hunter tells me that much of the day is packed with new experiences to him.
The PGC has done some things to helpgive youth more opportunities but that will likely only help a little. We as hunters need to do everything we canto get our kids, the neighbors kids and anyone else we can interested in the outdoors. The sacrifice of some of our hunting time to help a youth will pay big dividends in the long run.