RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

Grnmtn, FYI PA just made us put our SSN on our licenses this year.

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

I have no doubt that one day a WCO or more likely an overzealous deputy will search an attorney or someone with money and the law as it's now written will go down. Not for the license check, (which I personallyhave no problem with) but for thewarrantless searches of ones person, camp, vehicle, etc.

I think it's quite likely that the only reason it hasn't happened thus far is that the cost of such a legal challenge would far surpass the costmost anygame law fine. Based on data RSB gave us, the average fine is around $175. My lawyer gets $195 per hour. I'm not likely to ever challenge it but someone will.

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

From the Clarion News by John Street:

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

I am sure the radicals and maybe even some that aren’t radicals would like for me to quit posting since it probably spoils their game of spreading lies and misinformation without being called on it. I can’t correct their hatred but I can provide some facts that help debunk some of their misinformation, lies and propaganda.

As for if I am don’t more good or harm; I suspect it doing some good with the multitudes of people that read message boards but rarely post. I have long known that I am not going to change the minds of radicals since they don’t typically function in the realms of reasonable and logical discussion. But, they aren’t the ones I am trying to reach with my message. I am just trying to present the other side of the story and some actual facts for those masses and majorities capable of recognizing and formulating reasonable and rational thought used to develop a logical conclusion. Besides when it comes right down to it there are only a handful or so of the radicals even posting and spreading their lies, misinformation and general hate on this site. The problem is there are only a few people with the guts to take a stand against them because they don’t want to deal with a gang of radicals.

I frequently have people tell me that I am wasting my time in a pi$$ing contest with skunks. But, I don’t see it that way, though I certainly would agree about avoiding pi$$ing contests.

The way I see it is that sometimes you are going to have to deal with skunks and sometimes they will hit you with their stink whether you were in their pi$$ing contest or not. If they make the stink all around you and you do nothing to clean it up then it isn’t long until you stink just like they do. If you smell like a skunk and do nothing to clean it up people soon start to think you are a skunk, even when you aren’t. Just look at the platform these radicals had until a couple of more rational people came on board and started challenging their misinformation.

I think the majority of the people that read this stuff do have the capacity for logical thinking. Therefore, I have no intentions of allowing radicals to rule the day with lies and misinformation as long as I can muster the time and energy to combat their nonsense.

As for those that are worried about being labeled as a radical or a liar or something they don’t like; well about all I can say is if that shoe fits wear it and if it doesn’t fit then leave it alone, it isn’t yours to wear when it doesn’t fit.

Besides, you folks probably will not have to put up with me all that much since I will be getting busier as the fall progresses. I will be too busy trying to protect the wildlife resources that still mean I lot to me, even if they don’t mean as much to some of those posting on message boards.

As for the comment concerning if I really am a WCO; well that isn’t too hard to check out since I always sign off with my real name. I have been a Game Warden for a bit over 29 years now.

I do apologize though that my writing skills aren’t what some of you would expect, but then I am a Game Warden not a journalist. I also admit that I don’t always have the time to proof read everything I post, so you will find lot of mistakes.

Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

I’ve arrested several attorneys along with lots of their family members, for everything from minor to some very major game law violations over the years. They tend to pay their fines because they actually understand both the laws and the court opinions governing such things as their Constitutional rights.

Dick Bodenhorn
WCO, Elk County

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

I realize that you didn't answer my question before, so I'll ask again:do youclaim thatI too am a "radical," an "anarchist," a "liar," a "skunk,"have a "criminal history" and have been banned from other web sites? And if so, which one(s)?

It seems that this general smearing, which according to you is "reasonable," "rational"and "logical," is the Internet equivalent of a suspicionless search and seizure.

Sounds kind of like "if you are innocent, what do you have to worry about?"

http://www.bartleby.com/59/4/invinoverita.html

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

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As for if I am don’t more good or harm; I suspect it doing some good with the multitudes of people that read message boards but rarely post. I have long known that I am not going to change the minds of radicals since they don’t typically function in the realms of reasonable and logical discussion. But, they aren’t the ones I am trying to reach with my message. I am just trying to present the other side of the story and some actual facts for those masses and majorities capable of recognizing and formulating reasonable and rational thought used to develop a logical conclusion.

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You are doing much more than "just trying to present the other side" in a "reasonable and logical discussion". You have been name calling and mud slinging with everyone here that has disagreed with you. You have referred to people here as "liars", "radicals", "anarchists", "skunks" etc. and on a pretty regular basis. That my friend is uncalled for, unnecessary and certainly beneath anyone who cares about maintaining their dignity let alone someone who wants to be respected as a professional. Besides, no one here needs you to tell them who the radicals and skunks are. Virtually everyone here is more than capable of making up their own mind. You might want to keep in mind that this is a place to discuss matters and express and form opinions. You seem to have the attitude that because you are a wco that what you say should automatically be accepted and are indignant when it is not. Well I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way here. Here, you are just another poster and your opinions and ideas will stand or fall on their own merit influenced only by your ability to present them. Here, who or what you claim to be carries only the weight a reader cares to give it. I'm afraid few, if any,recognize your arrogantself appointment as keeper of the truth.


Now earlier you said you were interested in ideas to improve the image of the PGC. My advice to you was because you are so inept at pr that you just quit posting. I still think that would be best but if you insist on posting then I suggest you stay out of the mud and do as you said and just present the "facts" and "other side of the story. Do it respectfully and professionally. Maybe in time you will be able to repair some of the damage you've caused.

Good luck!

I think you are naive. One of the interesting and well known things about the internet is that the anonymity tends to give people the courage to say things they otherwise wouldn't. Perhapstheir not speaking up is really saying something you just don't want to hear.

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

Sylvan, I really hate to start any trouble here and it is not my intention too but, what is your problem with law enforcement or wco's? Tell us your story. Why are you so angry? You seem to take all that you read and twist it into something bad.

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

I'm waiting for some TV news person to do one of those under cover stories about the PGC and their abuse of power.

Maybe withall the camera phones out there, someone may get some footage of a WCO going over the line.


We all seen the Rodney King video and others and how the media took those stories and ran with them.

I've even thought of going afield with just a camera, during deer season, again and having someone sit back in a van and video tape my encounter with a WCO. Maybe this time I'll put up a little stink about getting harassed for just taking pictures of deer.

What would TV viewers think, when they see Mr. WCO giving a guy a hard time for going in the woods with justa camera. I know darn well that if any guy put on camo and just stood by his truck during archery season, with a camera, he'd get checked. Just think, having your vehicle checked and questioned, Give them a little stink and watchMr. WCO start flexing his authority, all awhile being caught on tape and given to some TV news station to show on their 6 o'clock news.

This aught to open a can of worms. Maybe someone higher up would be pressured into making a few changes in just how much authority a WCO should have.

Look what the Rodney King video caused, with riots and all.


Hmmmmmmm! This got me thinking.

RE: A question for R.S.B.
 

mlo,
Actually I'm not a bit angry and I'm really surprised you would gather that from my posts. Though direct and to the point and without pulling any punches particularlywith R.S.B. I wouldn't even consider my posts to be rude let alone contain an angry tone.I will say this though, and that is that I have little tolerancefor arrogance, name calling and character smearing and that is exactly what R.S.B.has been doingright along and I will continue to speak against that kind of rhetoric regardless of who is spewing it. It has nothing to do with him being a wco other than maybe I would expect better from a wco than maybe someone else.

I have basically made 2 points in this thread. One is that the PGC could improve its relations with the public by eliminating the license checks and that R.S.B. is probably doing more harm than good in the PGC pr campaign. I'm not angry about either. Just expressing my opinion and would like to do it without being called a "radical", "anarchist", "skunk" etc. or seing those that agree with me be smeared in that way. Don't you think that's fair enough? Don't you think it's a good idea to criticize those who do engage in that kind of personal smear tactics? I think if you go back through this thread you will find much more anger and disrespectfor other posters coming from others(especially R.S.B.) than you will from me. Maybe ask him why he's so angry. Why he feels the need to resort to name calling in order to make a point?