RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

I never ran into a commissioner either. I guess they don't hunt the Game lands they oversee.

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

crazy, very good response,what you said is TRUTH.doug,germain,its just getting started. they are making trails and they will come. its called,PA WILDS.i have no problem with tourist.what i have problem with is the majority of people would like to see us hunters out of woods.they dont like guns.they are much different group of people than us.heck, i like to hike too. but have a pistol strapped on your belt and watch their faces.if our numbers decline and PA WILDS gets going. a whole different group of people will be coming.its good for our area but so was DEER HUNTING.with direction the pgc and dcnr is going,it will not be DEER HUNTING that is going to be the thing in the future . thats where my PRIORITY is not barn owl nesting. hope you can see what is happening.

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

That was pretty good.:D

sproul,I did some reading on the PA wilds and talked to some people in Potter county who seem to hate the idea from a hunter's or store owner's point of veiw.Motels,diners,sporting goods,stores,etc used to make a decent buck off of money generated by hunting.They don't see tourism making that lost revenue up.In certain areas the PA wilds project isn't going to be so wild.Rendell and debernliberal want to turn places like Potter into the Poconos.In other words ruin the area.That's a prime example of Philly liberals trying to run something they don't have a clue about.

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

i agree.rendell is coming to lock haven.i asked to talk to him on deer hunting.they dont want me there and i am not invited. he is behind this deer eradication program .it seems most are only worried about jobs now and heck with deer.rendell will beat swann badly.swann is no way qualified.you would think republican party could have picked a better person.trust me,our deer hunting is going to fade away unless you are able to get in your car and pay to hunt or go where the last of deer are left. i have friends that drive to philadelpia to get a doe.but that will end soon too. now they are all going to rockton mtn to kill off the 126 deer in that mile, ha,what a bunch of fools.anyhow,if this program that pgc/dcnr is pushing on deer would work, i would be 100% behind it. i see very few deer in future and very little growth in woods.if they dont cut trees, sun cant get in.like 1 wco said on a forum on another site. IFFOREST COMES BACK IN 20 YEARS WE WILL CONSIDER INCREASING THE DEER HEARD.can you believe that statement.we will never see hunting anywhere close to what we have seen .if they cared about deer,MASSIVE PROGRAM TO BUILD FOOD PLOTS AND CUT TREES WOULD HAPPEN.

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

Iagree that Rendell is no friend of sportsman or gun owners.I pretty much despise the guy and the puppets he appointed to run DCNR.I still think you guys are making more out of the situation than is there.Somehow I can't put anti-hunting and wanting us to kill all the deer together.Who will control the deer when they take all our guns away?Our northern forests have been devistated by the huge deer herds of the past and herd reductions were sorely needed.It probably will take some of the worst areas 20 years to recover but I'm seeing a huge difference in the habitat today compared to just 5 years ago in many places.

I agree that light plays a big factor is getting regeneration started but not all preffered browse species need alot of light.Many are shade tolerant.I don't know how to make you understand this but we can't just go in and cut all the trees.If you cut much more than 1% a year you'llend up with way too high of a percentage of pole timber.Pole timber supports the least amount of deer out of any age class of timber.

Crazyhorse,I never ran into you or Sproul on state game lands either.I guess you don't hunt them.

The conspiracy theories never end around here.

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

"Crazyhorse,I never ran into you or Sproul on state game lands either. I guess you don't hunt them."

Doug, you have to come off of that private ground with 79 DPSM you hunt. (And I doubt that you'll ever leave ahoney holelike that.) To find me you have to be able to keep up.Jawing with every Game Warden and forester you run into is probably why you didn't see us.

Say, which Commissioner do you hunt with anyway?

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

:D

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

doug, in areas in 2g i see that has growth,reason is some of trees are letting in sunlight do to not being very big or are losing leaves do to their health.or other reasons.where you have the real big maples, ferns grow.remember i told you about we are getting about 2 extra months of growing do to our warmer winters.that alone is helping things grow.then throw in all rain we are having, its like jungle in some places.its not from lack of deer.i have apple trees that have leaves on until middle dec and blooms in last week of march. thats not normal but has been that way for last 5 years. i have apples that will be ready to pick on my land in kettle creek in aug. usually its oct.oaks let in more sunlight than maples.so,areas you are seeing growth, it could be you are in area without too many maples.but that extra 2 months growing ,1 after leaves fall is what is causing growth.rain too.

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

Horse hockey...

RE: DCNR SAYS 126 DEER PER MILE IN CLEARFIELD,PA.
 

Crazyhorse,I hunt almost exclusively public land and what land isn't state owned,is either owned by a timber company and open to anyone or it's a game/farm coop.The land where I live will be open to hunting for the first time this year and I plan on filling my two dmap tags by the middle of the first week of archery season.It'll be state land from then on until the middle of January.I only ever met one commissioner and that was just about a month ago.No plans on hunting with him either.I also have no intentions of finding you but keeping up would be no problem if I wanted to.The thing is, I usually walk slow.That why I don't miss many deer.Maybe you should try that.

Sproulman,I don't know what kind of wild mushrooms your eating but they're making you dilusional.We don't have two extra months of growing season sinceherd reductions began.In fact,2003 and 2004 where both very long hard winters.What do maples and ferns have to do with anything?The ferns are an invasive species that takes over when the shrub layer is removed,a sure sign of overbrowsing.Most of the places where I'm seeing good regeneration is in fact where light is getting in.In fact most of them are areas that have been recently cut.Interestingly,that never happened when the herd herd was much larger.The deer would eat all the stump sprouts and seedlings leaving nothing behind but non-prefered species.You say it's global warming.I say it's deer and most biologists and foresters would agree with me and they have the proof to back it up.I'm also seeing plenty of shade tolerant species like witch hazeland red maple starting to make it past the deerunder a closed canopy.

By the way,ferns grow in the sunlight as well.They keep spreading out until they hit a patch of growth.Unfortunately,there isn't much understory so they keep spreading out until they cover the whole forest floor,drowning out the sunlight for seedlings trying to break through.Lot's of ferns generally means you have or had way too many deer.It has nothing to do with you're un-proven theory of an extended growing season or large maple trees.