C'mon Tim - if you want to bring it, you gotta bring it.

3 hands? Gimme a break.

Shouldering=drawing? Anchor your cheek = anchor point? anyone who bowhunts and gunhunts knows you are full of it.

Don't understand the physics behind 1 plane vs 2 plane sighting? Look it up.

None of the attributes you ramble about at the end of your tirade have anything to do with the archery skills required to shoot a bow. Draw. Anchor. Hold. Aim. Release. Follow Through.

You must do these things to evn fire a bow, let alone shoot one accurately.

Crossbow = point and shoot.

NY does not need croosbows.

I think that lack of land and over hunted lands discourage young people to get into it. The ending real estate boom changed the Catskill region from quiet towns to booming cities. Most land that was unposted now have new yellow signs all over the place. The only thing I see young generation doing is riding ATVs all over the State land legally or illegally. Neversink Unique Area is perfect example. Last time I was hunting there, 15 kids showed up on quads , spooked everything and just when it got quiet again, other 4 showed up. There are signs everywhere “ No Motorized Vehicles” but hey they don't care. DEC told me to deal with it since they can't stop it.

Source,You sir or mam,are exactly what I mean by eating ourheritage from the inside out.I suppose you would of had issues with hunting with a spear some years back?Does it interfere with your own personal bowhunting season that maybe 2 folks have crossbows in your area?,does it inhibit your ability to search,scout and find deer before season?Do you feel threatened?Do crossbows scare the hell out of you as an unfair advantage?To what?Your skill,or the fact that you dont have the skill to take the prize yourself?You antis are all the same,eat the young at the exspense of your personal preference to hunting,be it traditional or compound.Sad to say the least,and surley the demise of us all as a whole.As a 30 + year veteran of hunting trapping and fishing,I find it appauling how some self centeredhunters react to the perpetuation of our heritage.

As far as the point and shoot comment at the end of your rant...what exactly is it you do with your traditional or compound?

Ironhorse -

You can't say "heritage" and "crossbow" in the same sentence, at least not in NY state.

I do not believe crossbows belong in bow season because they do not operate like a bow.

You can agree or disagree (and I really don't care which you decide to do), but do not lecture me that refusing crossbows will be the demise of us all.

I am not anti - anything, and I resent the implication.

You can go around the subject 4 times,and its still the same.Crossbows are and always have been a valid and great hunting impliment.I did not call you persay,an anti,BUT,if you cant see the upside of promoting a device thats been around as long as it has been,then I dont know what your point is.Give me a reason,a real one,why crossbows are a threat.The truth is ,noone can,only ramble unfair this and my season that.Its depramental to ourheritage as a whole to deny ANY sportsman or woman the abilty to utilize a proven big game,small game device.Its a crossbow,not a death ray.


ps HERITAGE means to me our outdoor love and use of nature,natural renewable resource,taking of game by any realistic and accurate means according to ability.Any questions?bless the wildnerness

Bowhunting heritage would be all that, plus the added qualifier that you must use a bow. Crossbows have no part in NY bowhunting heritage.

Once again,you wont answer the questions,and refuse to show ANY logical reason for your relentless denial of crossbow useage for anyone,including handicap folks save for your "Im a traditionalist" attitude.Ill bet you threw a fit when inline muzzleloading came about.30+ years of hunting and trapping have tought me one thing,if nothing else coprehensable to yourself and others with your elite attitude,that the real sportsman and woman of this state,support hunting to it fullist,that means opportunity for all ethical hunting impliments,not just your way.You sir or mam,are a cannible of our heritage.SHAME

Would anybody have a problem with allowing xbow use during the mz and regular firearms season? I suggest this is a good way to start. If the interest is there and the popularity grows, who knows? The only reason we don't have an early mz season in NY is because of the political clout of the bowhunters relative to the mz'ers. If the xbow enthusiasts are content to get their proverbial "foot in the door" I think it would just be a matter of time before it would be legal during the regular archer season.

Just a little history lesson. The xbow is historically not considered to be a superior weapon to the longbow. After it's invention in 200 B.C.it never suplanted the longbow in warfare, it was simply added as "another" weapon that with it came advantages and disadvantages. Although more accurate in the hands of an inexperienced archer, relative to a skilled longbowman the xbow was a shorter range weapon, less accurate and could not be fired nearly as fast as the longbow. It's main advantage was the ability to fire a "bolt" with enough force to penetrate armor. As far as heritage? The xbow was carried with the first settlers in Jamestown Va in 1607. It was used for both hunting and defense. Now I don't know anything specific to xbows inNY but I'd be suprised if the Dutch didn't bring them along as well when they firstbegan settlingour fine state in the early 1600's. The xbow is every bit as much a part of our "heritage" as the mz.

First let me say I do not think crossbows would greatly increase the number of tag sales in NY. WHat would is only speculation.

What i do agree, is that crossbows should be allowed. Don't own one, but why should we limit another method of hunting. Whether we should hunt at same time as archery I dont know, maybe more along ML season or gun season, but I think we should.

I said it on another post here at hunting net, to be honest, we are playing into the hands of the anti-hunting folks; they are probably laughing at us fighting amongst ourselves, because fighting ourselves we are not fighting them.......

I do not see any reason not to allow it, like there was no reason 30 years ago, and yes I was there, to outlaw the compound bow, and yes I am sure others can tell more, but they did not want to allow the use of compound bows. I would further guess that the ones fighting the issue of crossbows werent there or too young to remember and don't remember that the weapon they now use was very controversial.

Any way, I think it should be and we need to stop fighting others. And the fight against crossbows is why I will never join the NY Bowhunters.[:@]