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Old 01-09-2006 | 01:15 AM
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Old 01-09-2006 | 01:43 PM
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Actually, I would argue that the standard should be the same or even higher. If you need to demonstrate clear just cause to obtain a warrant to intrude on someone's property even to apprehend a dangerous criminal, I would hope that you need to be even more clear in demonstrating the need to intrude on property because of a dead bear. Not that a dead bear is a petty thing.
Excuse me if I find some humor in this but as it is now, 99.9 percent of hunters complain that not enough is done to catch poachers. People are always complaining that Wardens don't do anything about poaching, trespassing, or other illegal hunting activities. And you guys want to make it harder...$1000.00 bucks says if you guys get your way, you'll be crying a river not enough is done to stop poaching again.

Matter of fact, I hope you do succeed in this endeavor, and then I hope your neighbors practice some serious illegal hunting that cannot be stopped because a warrant is required to go on the property just to verify your claim of illegal hunting. By the way...no judge is going to take your word and issue a warrant...need much much more than that.

Good luck fellows and remember...be careful of what you ask for.

PS. Oh one more thing...99.9 percent of the time, the only people pushing to make it harder to catch a law breaker, are the law breakers themselves.
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Old 01-09-2006 | 05:35 PM
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Sorry if I take the Constitution a little too seriously.[:'(] Actually, there is not much trouble with poaching in my area, so I don't complain about it. If Isawmy neighborsdoing it, I wouldhope that I would make the effort to provide the the GW's with actual evidence and just cause for a search rather than a"tip." And/or i would hope that they would do some investigative gruntwork before conducting a search.

As for your P.S., Isuppose that means that all the folks working at the ACLU are meth cookers.[:@]
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Old 01-09-2006 | 05:57 PM
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Sorry if I take the Constitution a little too seriously.
As for your P.S., Isuppose that means that all the folks working at the ACLU are meth cookers.[:@]
Actually, this issue has been put to the Constitutional test before, and it's never been determined that the Fourth Amendment protects open fields or woods. To get a better picture of it, check the Federalist Papers...they are a quite lengthy explaination of just what the Framers intended the Amendments to be, and what NOT to be. If I can find the one that applies, I'll get you the location to check it for yourself. It's been a long time since I had Constitutional Law, so give me a while. Besides the Papers, there is case law as well...despite how it might seem, it's not really a Constitutional issue. Remember, you have free speech, but can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded room, and you have the right to refrain from self-incrimination, but you can still go to jail for it. There are many, many examples like this.

As for the ACLU being meth cookers...I won't argue with that. Maybe not meth, but something they've been cooking has seriously messed up their heads.
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Old 01-09-2006 | 06:33 PM
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NJ,

You are obviously correct in thatCURRENTLY, the courts allow such searches. So, I am onlyoffering a minority opinion. But then again, a century ago the courts allowed things that are now considered to be flagrant violations of civil liberties. Dunno about the Federalist papers. Its strange that they are pretty clear about gun owning rights, but some areas still get by with passing Draconian anti-gun legislation. I guess they are like the bible, you can interpret them how you want. The issue is who's in charge when the interpreting occurs. In the meantime, I'll stick with my opinion that law enforcement should havedamn good cause to enter private property.

And in response toyour ACLU statements, I'll avoid the temptation of referring to police interrogation techniques that involve toilet plunger handles.
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Old 01-09-2006 | 07:12 PM
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And in response toyour ACLU statements, I'll avoid the temptation of referring to police interrogation techniques that involve toilet plunger handles.
Now bringing that up is going a little too far. They haven't taught that at the academy for at least 4 years. []
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Old 01-09-2006 | 07:18 PM
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I think that its still part of the regular curriculum in the Fire Island Community College Criminal Justice program[8D][8D]But then again, those folks are a little BEHIND[]the times.....
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Old 01-09-2006 | 07:28 PM
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I have been keeping an eye on this post and even commenting a few times. It is incredible to see some of the viewpoints on here. I may not agree but some have made strong arguements. But again those on their self proclaimed high horse throw their opinions out without ever knowing the facts of the case. No where in the case history does it say the GW went on this guys property to commit a search, he went to to property to speak with the gentleman, where in plain view he discovered the evidence.

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Actually, I would argue that the standard should be the same or even higher. If you need to demonstrate clear just cause to obtain a warrant to intrude on someone's property even to apprehend a dangerous criminal
I hope that a person never breaks in your house and holds you and your family hostage cause I know you will not be happy in the delaying your rescue while a warrant is obtained to enter your property and arrest the person.

As said previously "be careful what you wish for."
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Old 01-09-2006 | 08:06 PM
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Getting onproperty to discover stuff in "plain view," decent point.May be legit, maybe not...The rest of your post is"Apples and oranges" dude, I won't even waste my time going there. I'm too busy ridingmy constitutional "high horse."

And I find it amusing that someone with the handle of "Setter" followed the previous two posts.
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Old 01-09-2006 | 08:09 PM
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What does my dogs breed have to do with any of this?
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