ORIGINAL: cma3366a

Who says they have to quit using shotguns just because rifles become an option?. If shotguns are truely just as accurate andeffectiveas rifles in southern tier conditions why would they evenwant to change?

First thing I really don't want to get into a debat. I understand your point of veiw.
Obliviously you would like rifle bill to pass. Thats fine if you do, but I don't see were your going with these reasons.

Lets be honest now, you will be able to shoot at 300yds and I will only have a 100yd shot right. Now I don't think that is very fair. Now I would have to buy a rifle right? The main reason why they want to change weapons is for money!Plain and simple.Now with what I just said before, Why would I want to shoot ashotgun when everyone else is shooting a rifle, I think alot of others will be forced into buying a rifle also. Its notreally because they want to too, it just because it would make sense right.

What makes you think poachers arent already using rifles? By definition poachers are acting outside the game laws, and for spotlighting deer across a cornfield I doubt they are worried about breaking the "slugguns only" rule.

Yeah your right they don't follow the rules, but it would make it easier for them?
Or is it common for people to carry rifles in their trucks in shotgun country during hunting season. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, it would also make double the punishment right!

By your own admission anti's are against hunting in general, It doesent matter how you do it they still dont like the fact that you are killing animals, Period. If it took only one accident to end hunting in NY, it would have ended this year.What more, According to a study by the PGC, rifle use actually results in fewer accidents than sluggun use.

Let me tell you if you hunted in my area you wouldknow what I mean. Enough said! And no one accident wouldn't end hunting, it would just give them more fuel for the fire!!!!! If you don't know they are attacking us in seperate situations, not the hole picture. In that I mean they will try restrct us as much as possible.


Wouldent the "open minded" aproach be to give rifle hunting a try for a few years? How do you know rifle hunting the southern tier wont work, we've never tried it(in recent times, since the advnt of hunter safty courses).

ORIGINAL: cma3366a

First thing I really don't want to get into a debat. I understand your point of veiw.
Obliviously you would like rifle bill to pass. Thats fine if you do, but I don't see were your going with these reasons.

Lets be honest now, you will be able to shoot at 300yds and I will only have a 100yd shot right. Now I don't think that is very fair. Now I would have to buy a rifle right? The main reason why they want to change weapons is for money!Plain and simple.Now with what I just said before, Why would I want to shoot ashotgun when everyone else is shooting a rifle, Iffect your own?think alot of others will be forced into buying a rifle also. Its notreally because they want to too, it just because it would make sense right.

Hunting is a personal endevor, not a contest pitting you against the Jones' next door. Why would you let someone else's firearm choice affect your decision? For me the switchfrom shotguns to rifles will mean onlyone thing, I will start carrying a bolt action .270 with a 3.5-10 rather thanmy bolt action rifled 12ga with a 3-9. I will still hunt from the same stands, an take the same shots<150yds, but I will doing it with a gun that I am much moreproficient with, And one which is inherently3 timesmore accuratethan the slug gun.


Yeah your right they don't follow the rules, but it would make it easier for them?
Or is it common for people to carry rifles in their trucks in shotgun country during hunting season. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, it would also make double the punishment right!

I think we agree that poachers are already using rifles, so why hinder legal hunters with a less accurate firearm?

Let me tell you if you hunted in my area you wouldknow what I mean. Enough said! And no one accident wouldn't end hunting, it would just give them more fuel for the fire!!!!! If you don't know they are attacking us in seperate situations, not the hole picture. In that I mean they will try restrct us as much as possible.

If we really want to placate the anti's, why dont we just give up firearm hunting and switch to bow, that would really get them off our back,,,,, WRONG. The fact of the matter is, anti's hate the very act of killing animals, plain and simple, changing the method of how you kill said animals will neither unify nor disband them, they are against hunting for the long haul. People will be injured and killed whether we use rifles, or shotguns, or archery, hunting is a "risky" activity, just like driving a car, or getting out of bed in the morning, there are a million ways for people to get hurt and die, that is a fact of life you just have to live with, not be fearful of. I see no reason to restict our sport because of fear that someone will get hurt, I can gaurantee youpeople will get hurt, just as they would should we take to the woods with any other implement, but study's (like the PGC one I mentioned) have shown us tha the use of rifles is generaly no more hazzardous than the use of modern slugguns.

No the open mind would think of the precautions just before doing something. Or do you justact and ask questions later. Hey look you never really answered any of the important questions that I asked. Do you believe that you would be a better hunter with a rifle, and if so ....How?

Also what about the fact that they made these zones shotgun for a reason, population and landscape. Now I know that our population of people has grown over here, and the landscape hasen't changed. So what exactly is different?

Please don't take this personal because it is not my intent! I understand your point of veiw and it is for what I can see that you would like too be able to shoot your rifle. Thats fine! Just see my point of view also!

I guess being open minded where you come from is similarto being stuffy, conservative and fearfull where I come from. As faras will rifle use make me a better hunter?, the question is very vague, but I'll bite. By means of the rifle's greater accuracy (3X in my case) And the factthat I get much, muchmore practice with my rifles, I believe the use of a rifle will allow me to place my shots with greather precision, which willlead to cleaner kills.Now If you meant the question I a way like, will it force me to better my field craft, I gun hunt from my (succesful) bowstands, 'nuff said.

As for politicians making slug only zones for a reason, All I can say is in NorthernPA hunters use rifles in the same terrain as we in Southern New York use slugguns.