Thank you DD for providing an example of what I described in my last post. More of what we've all heard a thousand times (mostly from you) without anything positive to offer.

Maybe you have forgotten that I suggested that the PGC could eliminate the need for much of the future herd reduction if they just included all of the habitat the deer use rather than just forested habitat. It is widely accepted in deer management circles that fragmented forests have a much higher carrying capacity than contiguous forests. Simply increasing the OWDD goals for 5C and 5B from 5 & 6 DPSM, to 15 DPSM would eliminate the need for significant herd reduction in those WMU's. But, instead of increasing the OWDD gaols for 5 C. the PGC increased the length of the extended anterless season by 2 weeks.

Germain,

I kinda thinks that an early, middle, and late Indiana Bat Season would be one possible way for the PGC to make a few bucco's ... at least in my neck of the woods. Besides, in addition to the $$, there would be more insect fodder fer the Grouse and Turkeys ... seems like a WIN / WIN to me, but heck, what do I know, yanno ?? ... lmao


99er

model99er,I propose an open season on Indiana bats.They don't belong in PA anyway!
AJ52,of course not all is bad in PA.We have great turkey and bear hunting to name a few.Unfortunately the coyote hunting is getting better every year too.And here's the best thing of all.We have thousands and thousands of gamelands to hunt.
Having said that though our bread and butter is deer hunting and that's where the problem lies.Ever try to hunt deer on 5-10 dpsm land?It pretty much aint happening.And this is what most of our public land is like.
And for the people telling folks to move 100 miles to hunt deer please stop it.Too many folks have money invested in cabins in the prime vast mountains of PA.You know deer country.Mountains and deer go hand in hand.Mountains are supposed to have deer.Not to mention private land open to hunting is shrinking quick.Leases are getting hard to find with some having a ten year wait to get on.A fellow in NC PA isn't going to travel to SW PA and get permission to hunt private land.
Besides,if you guys support HR like you claim then to help your cause you'll need those hunters to stay in the NC to keep the herd down.
Problem is right now there's hardly any herd left to keep down.

Germain unfortunatley leasing is on the rise. There are more and more places being posted around here every year and more ads in the papers looking for places to lease. Its a trend I dont see stopping any time soon.
Those of you who say move to another area that doesnt work for a lot of people. There are some for whatever reason just cant pick up and move.

I think leasing and posting in PA will cause hunter numbers to drastically drop off Dale.Of course any landowner has the right to do this but with the deer numbers so low on public land and the shrinking amount of private land open to hunting it will have an affect.
Then there's the loss of land to developement.