wisconsin eradication zone
12-01-2006 | 11:20 AM
#11
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From: Portage WI/Racine WI
RE: wisconsin eradication zone
where at do you hunt in Columbia Co.? I'm from Portage and hunt the Pine Island Public Land mostly. Once in a while I'll get out to Marquette, Adams, Sauk, etc.
12-01-2006 | 05:39 PM
#12
Fork Horn
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From: Wisconsin
RE: wisconsin eradication zone
I also hunt in Columbia county and the fools with the brown and down are destroying it. It is hard to shoot what you do not see. As for a doe only season it would never fly we have already lost over half of our hunting party. And as others have said large tracts of land are being taken out of the hunters hands the landowners do not want the deer gone.
12-01-2006 | 10:24 PM
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From: Racine, Wisconsin
RE: wisconsin eradication zone
ORIGINAL: Handles
I'd be all for a doe only rifle season for a year. I thought they should have done that 20 years ago.
I'd be all for a doe only rifle season for a year. I thought they should have done that 20 years ago.
12-23-2006 | 07:38 PM
#15
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From: S.E. Wisconsin
RE: wisconsin eradication zone
The way the Wisconsin DNR is handling CWD is rediculas [:'(] I started a forum just about how bad they are managing CWD, It seems only the DNR posts anything positive!!! Here is a link to my CWD forum:
http://www.bloodbro.com/messageboard/viewforum.php?f=35
http://www.bloodbro.com/messageboard/viewforum.php?f=35
12-25-2006 | 07:42 AM
#16
Nontypical Buck
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From: wisconsin
RE: wisconsin eradication zone
I dont agree with the way its being done either.But if im going to actually protest something,without sounding like a little girl,I should offer a differant solution to the problem.
12-25-2006 | 10:38 AM
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From: S.E. Wisconsin
RE: wisconsin eradication zone
Furgitter, your starting to sound like a whiney little giirl 
Short of publishing a book on this link dis-proving all the lies the WDNR has spread about CWD, I felt it was easier to post a link that has ALL THE SOLUTIONS and all the Misunderstandins about CWD. If you didn't follow that link, you have no buisness calling me a "whiney little girl".
Since its obvius, some people don't follow links before coming to conclusions, I will post some of the facts and answers right here for you
THE FACTS ACORRDING TO THE EXPERTS:
Here is what Wyoming DNR officials had to say about Wisconsin officials scare tactics about CWD spreading to humans:
Here is why we cannot "eradicate" CWD from Wisconsin according to UW Scientists:
State Representative Garey Bies regarding where CWD came from in Wisconsin.:
Statement by Dan Infalt on Rabies VS CWD
Quotes from MATT VERDON DNR CWD Cordinator, in an email response to Dan Infalt:
Matt
Q Matthew Verdon
Chronic Wasting Disease Data Coordinator
Bureau of Wildlife Management
Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
Dan Infalt on safety issues since CWD regulations went into effect:
Quality Deer Management Association on CWD management
Uplands Branch (QDMA)
Aldo Leopold, on wildlife Eradication way back in 1944:
Attorney David Mandell
A Safe & Sane Alternative to the
Wisconsin DNR Deer Slaughter
Dr. James Kroll
Colorado DNR Scientist speaks about CWD culling
Colorado Officials comment on there 30+ years of CWD
Professor Charles Southwick comments on culling CWD deer.
The solution is not to worrie about CWD. In the very worst situations, CWD has never effected more than 10% of the ADULT herd. Rabies, and bird flue are much worse and no one is reacting to killing all the critters in the state to savbe us, and those diseases actually DO kill people.
This is really, the WDNR useing a disease as an excuse to control a riseing population. Killing all the baby bucks and the increadable genetics in large areas of the state for bogus reasons is doing no one any good.
1) End the sensless slaughter of our deer, Eradication is not the answer.
2) Stop selling the wildlife for profit. Make your money from sales of licences. Population control tags should be free with purchase,
3) End T-zone and just give 3 to 5 free doe tags with licence purchase.
4) Admit when your wrong and stop this sensless CWD crap
5) If you insist on earn-a-buck, add a clause for kids under 16
6) Go back to giving bonus turkey tags free before they become our next problem animal
7) Open bow season 2 weeks or more earlier
8)Do not count button bucks as does in your anterless counts or as earning a buck.
As far as ME being a whiny little girl... I write my legislators weekly, I protest publicly, I let the WDNR know constantly what us hunters and other wildlife pro's think of there actions. I post polls, and send them the results, I post the email address's of all the people responsable for this crap on my CWD forum for all concernd to follow along in letting these Bozo's know we are not going to take it.
NOW MY QUESTION IS: You claim to agree that eradication is not the answer, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, other than standing on your whiney little soap box putting down those WHO ARE MAKING A STAND???????????
Short of publishing a book on this link dis-proving all the lies the WDNR has spread about CWD, I felt it was easier to post a link that has ALL THE SOLUTIONS and all the Misunderstandins about CWD. If you didn't follow that link, you have no buisness calling me a "whiney little girl".
Since its obvius, some people don't follow links before coming to conclusions, I will post some of the facts and answers right here for you
THE FACTS ACORRDING TO THE EXPERTS:
Here is what Wyoming DNR officials had to say about Wisconsin officials scare tactics about CWD spreading to humans:
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that hunters and others who consume venison containing the proteins that cause the deadly brain ailment chronic wasting disease will get the disease, according to Wyoming Game and Fish Department scientists.
Wyoming officials said the risk of death to humans who eat such meat appear nonexistent.
"Nobody has ever died from CWD and people have been eating (deer meat that could contain prions) for 25 years," said Terry Kreeger, Supervisor of the Game and Fish Department's Veterinary Research Services.
Wyoming officials said the risk of death to humans who eat such meat appear nonexistent.
"Nobody has ever died from CWD and people have been eating (deer meat that could contain prions) for 25 years," said Terry Kreeger, Supervisor of the Game and Fish Department's Veterinary Research Services.
scientists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison suggest that certain soil types serve as natural prion repositories in the wild. As animals regularly consume soil to meet their
mineral needs, it's possible that prion-laden soil particles contribute to the
transmission of prion disease such as CWD among animals.
"Prions most likely enter soil via excretion or from the carcasses of infected
animals,"
"We also wanted to determine how difficult it is to remove prions from clay,"
says senior author Joel Pedersen, a UW-Madison assistant professor of soil
science. "It turned out to be extremely difficult."
In fact, prions could be released from clay only when the scientists boiled the
clay-bound proteins in a detergent solution.
mineral needs, it's possible that prion-laden soil particles contribute to the
transmission of prion disease such as CWD among animals.
"Prions most likely enter soil via excretion or from the carcasses of infected
animals,"
"We also wanted to determine how difficult it is to remove prions from clay,"
says senior author Joel Pedersen, a UW-Madison assistant professor of soil
science. "It turned out to be extremely difficult."
In fact, prions could be released from clay only when the scientists boiled the
clay-bound proteins in a detergent solution.
Also regarding Chronic Wasting Disease, I was quite shocked to learn that the University of Wisconsin-Madison, in 1988 inoculated live animals with CWD. One type of animal that was inoculated was mule deer. And I find it more than a little suspicious that a mule deer, shot by a hunter in the Mt. Horeb area during that time, was immediately confiscated by the Department of Natural Resources. Why were the Department and the University not forthcoming with this bit of information? Could these mule deer, infected with CWD by the University be the source of the disease in our native whitetail population? I requested the Committee to inquire with the University as to the nature of the CWD experiments and what happened to all of the animals infected.
30 years of testing to see if they could infect other animals with CWD has resulted in NO test animals getting the disease other than other deer. I would rather eat raw venison off of an infected deer, than handle a rabid Bat. Why not put a big circle on the freakin map and kill all of the bats?? Probably becuase the govener is not getting a kick back from auto insureance companies to reduce the number of Bat / car accidents. Yes freinds... Rabie's is far more dangerous than CWD, and nobody is doing anything to stop it.
Simply put, with the size of the infected area and the factors involved, deer eradication is unrealistic as a means to control the disease.
There has been research done that shows the disease can be obtained from the environment
the highest we have seen is 10-12% of the adult population infected.
Q Matthew Verdon
Chronic Wasting Disease Data Coordinator
Bureau of Wildlife Management
Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
Dan Infalt on safety issues since CWD regulations went into effect:
I assume the two guys who almost shot me in the last two years probably took a hunter safety coarse. I had one guy draw a bow on me in pitch black darkness as I was heading out of the marsh after tracking a friends wounded deer. I heard the arrow slide back and quickly lit the guy up with my flash light, he was at full draw. He started screaming at me, something about how I am going to get myself shot by walking around at night without a flashlight... Yep, the DNR is right, this guy should have a rifle in his hands and several tags to shoot any deer... After all, he had a hunters Safety coarse right? How about the time I walked out of the marsh and had a bowhunter at full draw aiming at the trail waiting for me to walk out? He just let down his draw and staired at me... Both guys I just walked away, it aint worth it to argue with idiots. Would you take your kid out in the cattail marsh where there are guys jump shooting deer but can't see through the cattails at whats beyond? It is the DNR's responsability to keep hunting safe! I agree, that individules should be held responsible for not following every safety rule. But allowing people to shoot at any deer they see, and encouraging it, is going to cause people to get shot. It could be your son or my kid that gets it. Opening rifles in these same areas is insane. They closed rifles becuase it was too dangerous, now that we can shoot any thing we see it suddenly becomes safe????
Uplands Branch (QDMA)
The QDMA acknowledges that total herd eradication may appear to be the most effective method to contain and control CWD.
At this time, however, the QDMA considers total herd eradication impossible under most circumstances, unacceptable to many segments of society, and impractical as a long-term CWD management strategy.
At this time, however, the QDMA considers total herd eradication impossible under most circumstances, unacceptable to many segments of society, and impractical as a long-term CWD management strategy.
. . This episode shows that a scientific bureau, confronted with a question of wildlife eradication, may prefer to lose the wildlife than to lose time in scientific research for alternatives. In one sense this is water over the dam, but in another it carries a lesson for the future. At best, the scientific base in this case was sketchy, and no imagination had been used in searching for less destructive alternatives."
"It is time for us to learn caution and restraint in our power to eradicate wild things." --Aldo Leopold, December 5th, 1944
"It is time for us to learn caution and restraint in our power to eradicate wild things." --Aldo Leopold, December 5th, 1944
A Safe & Sane Alternative to the
Wisconsin DNR Deer Slaughter
The DNR’s rush to kill 100% of the deer population in a 361 square mile area in Southwestern Wisconsin
- as soon as possible - is meeting strong resistance from many hunters and landowners. As outlined here,
CAIDS-Wisconsin and these two groups support a more reasoned, balanced approach to successfully
addressing and containing Chronic Wasting Disease in Wisconsin.
Hunter-sportsmen oppose the kill because it is neither for food nor sport. Ninety-eight percent (98%) of
the deer to be killed and incinerated or dumped in the landfill will be healthy animals. The traditions that
mark the sport of deer hunting are being cast aside. What the DNR has proposed is an all-out “War” against the deer, not a sporting deer hunt.
Area landowners opposed granting the DNR the power to abuse private property rights and view the
plan as a threat to the right to live safely and securely in their communities. Conducting a war-like assault
to search and kill all deer will produce “collateral damage” and materially upset the ecological balance of
the area. The DNR rush to judgement – without adequate research, testing and preparation – simply
adds further insecurity and anxiety that accidents and harm are a certainty.
- as soon as possible - is meeting strong resistance from many hunters and landowners. As outlined here,
CAIDS-Wisconsin and these two groups support a more reasoned, balanced approach to successfully
addressing and containing Chronic Wasting Disease in Wisconsin.
Hunter-sportsmen oppose the kill because it is neither for food nor sport. Ninety-eight percent (98%) of
the deer to be killed and incinerated or dumped in the landfill will be healthy animals. The traditions that
mark the sport of deer hunting are being cast aside. What the DNR has proposed is an all-out “War” against the deer, not a sporting deer hunt.
Area landowners opposed granting the DNR the power to abuse private property rights and view the
plan as a threat to the right to live safely and securely in their communities. Conducting a war-like assault
to search and kill all deer will produce “collateral damage” and materially upset the ecological balance of
the area. The DNR rush to judgement – without adequate research, testing and preparation – simply
adds further insecurity and anxiety that accidents and harm are a certainty.
“My strong opinion is that CWD and other diseases never will be eradicated from wild deer herds. They just become a factor to consider in management.”
Professor James C. Kroll, Founder & Director, Institute for White-tailed Deer Managament & Research
Professor James C. Kroll, Founder & Director, Institute for White-tailed Deer Managament & Research
The agency's lead scientist on CWD and an early proponent of culling, Mike Miller, said data collected over the years don't show that thinning herds has had any significant effect on the rate of the disease in the wild.
CWD has never taken down vast numbers of deer as once feared. In fact, in the most infected pockets of the state, the rate of disease among deer is about 10 percent, not much different than it's been for several years.
One prominent critic of the culling approach has been retired University of Colorado biology professor Charles Southwick, who has argued that culling might actually exacerbate the spread of CWD.
That's based on his view that clearing deer out of a "hot spot" just opens the door for more deer to come in and contract the disease from the environment, where research suggests the agents behind the disease can subsist in soil and feces.
In addition, Southwick has argued, it might be that most deer and elk have a natural resistance to CWD. By killing off mostly healthy populations, the division might be reducing the creatures that have that resistance, under his view.
That's based on his view that clearing deer out of a "hot spot" just opens the door for more deer to come in and contract the disease from the environment, where research suggests the agents behind the disease can subsist in soil and feces.
In addition, Southwick has argued, it might be that most deer and elk have a natural resistance to CWD. By killing off mostly healthy populations, the division might be reducing the creatures that have that resistance, under his view.
This is really, the WDNR useing a disease as an excuse to control a riseing population. Killing all the baby bucks and the increadable genetics in large areas of the state for bogus reasons is doing no one any good.
1) End the sensless slaughter of our deer, Eradication is not the answer.
2) Stop selling the wildlife for profit. Make your money from sales of licences. Population control tags should be free with purchase,
3) End T-zone and just give 3 to 5 free doe tags with licence purchase.
4) Admit when your wrong and stop this sensless CWD crap
5) If you insist on earn-a-buck, add a clause for kids under 16
6) Go back to giving bonus turkey tags free before they become our next problem animal
7) Open bow season 2 weeks or more earlier
8)Do not count button bucks as does in your anterless counts or as earning a buck.
As far as ME being a whiny little girl... I write my legislators weekly, I protest publicly, I let the WDNR know constantly what us hunters and other wildlife pro's think of there actions. I post polls, and send them the results, I post the email address's of all the people responsable for this crap on my CWD forum for all concernd to follow along in letting these Bozo's know we are not going to take it.
NOW MY QUESTION IS: You claim to agree that eradication is not the answer, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, other than standing on your whiney little soap box putting down those WHO ARE MAKING A STAND???????????
12-26-2006 | 06:24 AM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: wisconsin
RE: wisconsin eradication zone
Sounds like youre finally out of breath Bloodbro.Thanks for posting all that imfo.If youre looking for me to stop all the deer from getting shot,youre talking to the wrong guy.I cant even stop tresspassers on my own land.But it sounds like you have compiled alot of opinions from some people who may carry some weight.Now ya gotta get it into the right hands.That isnt me,and when you do try not to sound like a spastic teenager with p.m.s. Mabe they will actually look at your imfo before they ****can it.
12-26-2006 | 10:42 AM
#20
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 381
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From: Sussex WI
RE: wisconsin eradication zone
The whole "Eradication Zone" idea was dumb from the beginning. The only people who actually believed that the DNR had a chance of culling 90% of the herd in that area (their original stated goal) were DNR bureaucrats sitting in their air-conditioned offices staring at spreadsheets. The area is too big, there are too many deer, and people don't have 180 days a year to hunt. Then of course there was the "brilliant" idea they floated of having helicopters with spot lights fly over private land and shoot deer at night. Gee, can't understand why area landowners didn't just jump up and cheer at that one!
The folks in Wyoming and Colorado have lived with CWD for over THIRTY YEARS and hunting, not to mention the populations ofwhitetail, elk and mule deer continue to thrive. Maybe we need to take a lesson from them, rather than letting a bunch of well-paid state bureaucrats suck up more moneyto spend on failed moves euphamistically known as "deer management".
The folks in Wyoming and Colorado have lived with CWD for over THIRTY YEARS and hunting, not to mention the populations ofwhitetail, elk and mule deer continue to thrive. Maybe we need to take a lesson from them, rather than letting a bunch of well-paid state bureaucrats suck up more moneyto spend on failed moves euphamistically known as "deer management".