Combo-v-rangefinder & bino seperately?
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I am looking to buy a decent pair of binoculars as well as a reasonably priced rangefinder
I am not sure if I should look to get one of thise combination products such as the:
COMBO UNITS:
Bushnell 8x36 Combo($499),
Leupold Wind River RB800 8/32 ($699),
Leica 8x42 Geovid BRF ($1,500 probably more than I can afford to spend without my wife shooting me with the new gun I just purchased),
Leica 10x42 Geovid BRF (1,600 the grandaddy of them all am my dream set-up)
I have also considered buying the bino's and rangefinder seperately and thus far seem to really like the:
BINOCULAR ONLY:
Nikon Monarch ATB Camo 10x40 ($299 really decent optics for a very reasonable price).
RANGEFINDER:
Nikon Laser 600 Buckmaster $261
Bushness yardage Pro 500 $199
What do you think fo the combo eyepieces versus just binoculars and separate rangefinders??? This will be my first purchase of binoculars of significant value and I want to spend a reasonable amount and still e happy with the purchase. I really love the idea of having ranges at the touch of a button.
Besides the obvious clarity of the bino's and reliability of the rangefinder, several items particularly important to me are durability/good manufacturer warranty, lightweight and waterproof features. Has anyone used the combination products? Does anyone have any recommendations? What are your suggestions on the above items? Thank you for your input, it is much appreciated
I am not sure if I should look to get one of thise combination products such as the:
COMBO UNITS:
Bushnell 8x36 Combo($499),
Leupold Wind River RB800 8/32 ($699),
Leica 8x42 Geovid BRF ($1,500 probably more than I can afford to spend without my wife shooting me with the new gun I just purchased),
Leica 10x42 Geovid BRF (1,600 the grandaddy of them all am my dream set-up)
I have also considered buying the bino's and rangefinder seperately and thus far seem to really like the:
BINOCULAR ONLY:
Nikon Monarch ATB Camo 10x40 ($299 really decent optics for a very reasonable price).
RANGEFINDER:
Nikon Laser 600 Buckmaster $261
Bushness yardage Pro 500 $199
What do you think fo the combo eyepieces versus just binoculars and separate rangefinders??? This will be my first purchase of binoculars of significant value and I want to spend a reasonable amount and still e happy with the purchase. I really love the idea of having ranges at the touch of a button.
Besides the obvious clarity of the bino's and reliability of the rangefinder, several items particularly important to me are durability/good manufacturer warranty, lightweight and waterproof features. Has anyone used the combination products? Does anyone have any recommendations? What are your suggestions on the above items? Thank you for your input, it is much appreciated
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Fork Horn
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From: Altadena CA
Gear Report: Wind River RB 800 Laser Rangefinder – Binocular
I’m a big believer in rangefinders. When bowhunting, for any shot past 20-25 yards an error of more than a few yards can mean a miss or —even worse— a bad hit. When rifle hunting across canyons or other deceptive terrain, it helps one’s confidence to know exactly how much to hold over. Equally as important, they’re great for improving your estimating skills in the off-season.
For the last six years I’ve owned two different Bushnell rangefinders. They were fine for determining distances, but the cheapo 4X monocular left a lot to be desired, especially during the dim first and last hour of the day when hunting is best. Because carrying binoculars and a rangefinder around my neck was clumsy, noisy, and heavy, I usually ended up toting just the rangefinder. (Anyone want a good price on nearly new binos?) Until recently, your only option for quality optics in a rangefinder was the Leica Geovid, a $3,000 unit that weighed a hefty three pounds. Bushnell came out with a $600 rangefinder/bino about two years ago, but it was bulky, heavy (34 oz.), and the lenses were etched with distracting graphics, so I waited for something better. When Wind River, a subsidiary of trusted optics manufacturer Leupold, introduced the 8x32RB 800, I soon ordered one from Cabela’s.
Unlike magazine reviews on this unit, which were little more than glorified press releases, this report is based on four different hunts (javelina, wild boar, caribou, and elk) over the last year. Let’s start with the positives.
PROS: It’s light; only 23 oz. sans strap.
It’s claimed to be waterproof, and although I didn’t leave it in a stream overnight, it functioned fine through several days of cold rain in Wyoming.
My eyes aren’t good enough to pass judgment on the optical quality, but an eagle-eyed friend of mine gave them a thumbs up.
Unlike my Bushnells, the reticle actually points to the same spot as the laser.
It reads accurately to within one yard (the Bushnells always indicated one yard short of actual). It works reliably at over 600 yards, although I’ve occasionally obtained readings at almost 1,000 yards.
The rubber armor prevents game-spooking noise when it touches shirt buttons, game calls, or knapsack buckles.
The neoprene strap is one of the best I’ve ever seen; wide, soft, and very comfortable.
The readout shuts off after ten seconds, thereby increasing battery life. A battery life warning flashes when juice is low. (I’d prefer a gauge that indicates charge across the entire range from new to empty, but an idiot light is better than nothing.) The buttons are fairly easy to push, even with gloves on.
Each eyecup is individually focused, and detents keep them in locked in place. (No more constantly fiddling with focus.)
NEUTRAL: The red LED readout is easier to read in low light than the black LCD of my Bushnells, but harder to see mid-day. (I think it’s a good trade-off.)
It operates on one SF123A 3-volt lithium battery (same as used in Surefire flashlights), which isn’t available at every 7-11 store, but it lasts quite a while.
I’d prefer 8x40s for slightly better low light visibility, but the 8x32 configuration of this unit worked pretty well.
It comes with a nice hard case, but it won’t close over the rangefinder with the strap attached, so why did Leupold even bother?
The cost is $700, but that was worth it to me to have a single unit with good glass and rangefinding capability. For another $100 you can get a built-in electronic compass, but I saw no need for it when I already had a much cheaper, non-battery dependent compass in my pocket.
CONS: No lens caps! Whose brilliant idea was that? After all, they must cost the princely sum of maybe five cents apiece! What’s the point of having a waterproof unit if you can’t keep rain off the lens? (I’ll need to get some scrap plastic make a one-piece unit that slides down the straps and covers both eyecups like Pentax and other brands. It won’t look pretty, but it’ll work.) For the cost of the useless hard case Leupold could’ve afforded a whole pile of decent lens caps.
Once the unit shuts off, you have to wait several seconds before taking another reading. (This probably won’t affect you during a hunt, but you need to allow for it when walking around practicing your estimating skills.)
Even with the eyecups fully extended, the top of my nose would sometimes brush against the bottom of the unit. Once I was absolutely sure I was going to keep the unit (Cabela’s has a great return policy) I used a half-round file to shave away a little material. This worked fine for me, whose schnoz is slightly larger than average, but you may be out of luck if your last name is Onassis or Durante.
Occasionally the yards/meter button will get pushed accidently, but observing the readout will tip you off to this. (This also happened on my Bushnells, and one time even resulted in me making a low hit. Fortunately I still recovered the deer.) Jingoistic side comment: This is Amurica, dammit! We use good ol’ yards here; we don’t need no stinking meters!
CONCLUSION: The Wind River RB 800 isn’t perfect, but for me it has been well worth the money. A treestand hunter who already owns a rangefinder and binos probably won’t need one, but it works great for still hunting in open country. If I lost mine today, I’d buy another one tomorrow, which is something I can’t say about some of my other outdoor gear.
I’m a big believer in rangefinders. When bowhunting, for any shot past 20-25 yards an error of more than a few yards can mean a miss or —even worse— a bad hit. When rifle hunting across canyons or other deceptive terrain, it helps one’s confidence to know exactly how much to hold over. Equally as important, they’re great for improving your estimating skills in the off-season.
For the last six years I’ve owned two different Bushnell rangefinders. They were fine for determining distances, but the cheapo 4X monocular left a lot to be desired, especially during the dim first and last hour of the day when hunting is best. Because carrying binoculars and a rangefinder around my neck was clumsy, noisy, and heavy, I usually ended up toting just the rangefinder. (Anyone want a good price on nearly new binos?) Until recently, your only option for quality optics in a rangefinder was the Leica Geovid, a $3,000 unit that weighed a hefty three pounds. Bushnell came out with a $600 rangefinder/bino about two years ago, but it was bulky, heavy (34 oz.), and the lenses were etched with distracting graphics, so I waited for something better. When Wind River, a subsidiary of trusted optics manufacturer Leupold, introduced the 8x32RB 800, I soon ordered one from Cabela’s.
Unlike magazine reviews on this unit, which were little more than glorified press releases, this report is based on four different hunts (javelina, wild boar, caribou, and elk) over the last year. Let’s start with the positives.
PROS: It’s light; only 23 oz. sans strap.
It’s claimed to be waterproof, and although I didn’t leave it in a stream overnight, it functioned fine through several days of cold rain in Wyoming.
My eyes aren’t good enough to pass judgment on the optical quality, but an eagle-eyed friend of mine gave them a thumbs up.
Unlike my Bushnells, the reticle actually points to the same spot as the laser.
It reads accurately to within one yard (the Bushnells always indicated one yard short of actual). It works reliably at over 600 yards, although I’ve occasionally obtained readings at almost 1,000 yards.
The rubber armor prevents game-spooking noise when it touches shirt buttons, game calls, or knapsack buckles.
The neoprene strap is one of the best I’ve ever seen; wide, soft, and very comfortable.
The readout shuts off after ten seconds, thereby increasing battery life. A battery life warning flashes when juice is low. (I’d prefer a gauge that indicates charge across the entire range from new to empty, but an idiot light is better than nothing.) The buttons are fairly easy to push, even with gloves on.
Each eyecup is individually focused, and detents keep them in locked in place. (No more constantly fiddling with focus.)
NEUTRAL: The red LED readout is easier to read in low light than the black LCD of my Bushnells, but harder to see mid-day. (I think it’s a good trade-off.)
It operates on one SF123A 3-volt lithium battery (same as used in Surefire flashlights), which isn’t available at every 7-11 store, but it lasts quite a while.
I’d prefer 8x40s for slightly better low light visibility, but the 8x32 configuration of this unit worked pretty well.
It comes with a nice hard case, but it won’t close over the rangefinder with the strap attached, so why did Leupold even bother?
The cost is $700, but that was worth it to me to have a single unit with good glass and rangefinding capability. For another $100 you can get a built-in electronic compass, but I saw no need for it when I already had a much cheaper, non-battery dependent compass in my pocket.
CONS: No lens caps! Whose brilliant idea was that? After all, they must cost the princely sum of maybe five cents apiece! What’s the point of having a waterproof unit if you can’t keep rain off the lens? (I’ll need to get some scrap plastic make a one-piece unit that slides down the straps and covers both eyecups like Pentax and other brands. It won’t look pretty, but it’ll work.) For the cost of the useless hard case Leupold could’ve afforded a whole pile of decent lens caps.
Once the unit shuts off, you have to wait several seconds before taking another reading. (This probably won’t affect you during a hunt, but you need to allow for it when walking around practicing your estimating skills.)
Even with the eyecups fully extended, the top of my nose would sometimes brush against the bottom of the unit. Once I was absolutely sure I was going to keep the unit (Cabela’s has a great return policy) I used a half-round file to shave away a little material. This worked fine for me, whose schnoz is slightly larger than average, but you may be out of luck if your last name is Onassis or Durante.
Occasionally the yards/meter button will get pushed accidently, but observing the readout will tip you off to this. (This also happened on my Bushnells, and one time even resulted in me making a low hit. Fortunately I still recovered the deer.) Jingoistic side comment: This is Amurica, dammit! We use good ol’ yards here; we don’t need no stinking meters!
CONCLUSION: The Wind River RB 800 isn’t perfect, but for me it has been well worth the money. A treestand hunter who already owns a rangefinder and binos probably won’t need one, but it works great for still hunting in open country. If I lost mine today, I’d buy another one tomorrow, which is something I can’t say about some of my other outdoor gear.
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ORIGINAL: Carolina Buckeye
Leica 10x42 Geovid BRF (1,600 the grandaddy of them all am my dream set-up)
Leica 10x42 Geovid BRF (1,600 the grandaddy of them all am my dream set-up)
Word is the magnification on the 10x42 is too high - its can be difficult to get a reading due to movement. the best is the 8x42.
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I have a set of Leopold 10X42 Wind River Cascades that I hang at my chest with a binocular harness that keep the binoculars close to my chest when they are not in use. These binoculars work very nicely for me and with their long eye relief I use them while wearing my glasses. I also have a Leica 1200 rangefinder that I keep in a pouch hooked to my belt. They are very lightweight and their visual optical quality (7X monocular) is very good. I use the binoculars much more than I use the rangefinders and I think the separate units are the way to go. I typically use the rangefinder when I'm at a ground stand and I'm going to stay for a while. I determine the distance to the prominant land features and any does I see grazing while waiting for a buck to show. I also think that you would be better served with 8 or 10X by 42 binoculars, since you would use them much more frequently than the rangefinder.
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