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I WAS KILLING TIME AT THE GUNSTORE TODAY,(SOMETHING I'M VERY GOOD AT) AND I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE HOW CHEAPLY MADE THE NEW 700'S FEEL. THE BOLT WAS STICKY, IT EVEN RATTLED A BIT WHEN I SHOOK IT. THE OVERALL FEEL OF THE RIFLE WAS DIFFERENT AND THE LOP SEEMED SHORT. HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THIS? MAYBE I JUST FORGOT MY PILLS, BUT I WAS SHOCKED.

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Please, just press this button.

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^^^^^ Bwahhahahaha...yeah, I think remington is gradually forgetting what made them a big name.

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Remington isnt cheaply made. If its anyone that is cheaply making rifles then its savage and ruger. Their bolts rattle, the sling swivels make noise even if you dont make them move. Remington's rifles dont do that. If remington has made a mistake then it was canceling the 700 ADL synthetic line of rifles and creating the SPS. The absolute only difference between the 2 is the SPS has a hinged floor plate and the ADL dont. THATS IT.

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Savage has always seemed a little cheesy, but their rifles will outshoot anything out of the box,Ihave very little experience with Rugers but i do own several Remington 700's. None of mine feel like the 2005 i was handling today. My 78 vintage bdl is several times the quality of the rifle i handled today. N ot trying to ruffle any feathers, I love Remington as well as anyone, just pointing out my observation.

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Ah, bitch, bitch, bitch ...... What model did you look at? A 710?
Anyway, I like my Remington 700 (LSS Mtn. rifle, 270Win.); Very good quality, and very accurate too!
As for the others in the Remington line-up, I think the SPS may be an improvement.
I prefer sights on my rifles, but I'm in the minority on that issue these days. Then too,
I can always put a set of Williams sights on it if really needed.
The Remington CDL may just be the best looking rifle they've made in some time.
Also like the LVSF(?) - lightweight varmint rifle - now if they would just bring it out also
in 243Win. Until then, I guess I could take a stainless SPS, and cut the barrel back. This would make a great varmint rig (IMHO - ?). Ah, humble my butt - IMO!:D

I used to be a big Ruger fan, and I still like the model 77 a lot, but I miss the tang safety, adjustable trigger, and five round capacity. Guess I'll just have to stick with the
one I've got (77RLS carbine in 358Win.). The International model would be a must have though if they made it in 6.5x55.

And, Winchester came out with a real winner again this year with their Featherweight model in stainless with walnut stock. Now, it's available in 6.5x55 - uhmmm?

There's a lot of good stuff available out there. Now and then anyone can run into a "lemon" from any of the majors. Personally, I like the choices we have available today. Sure a heck of a lot more than was available 30-40yr. ago, and the quality is much better too, overall, and especially with barrels. It used to be you counted yourself dang lucky if you got a rifle that would shoot 1-1/2" groups with any factory ammo.
Now, everyone gripes if it don't shoot 1" or better out the box! :eek:

And, ammo is another story. Selections for factory ammo today are so numerous as to border on being too much. And, for the most part, it's dang good stuff too! Consistency
from lot to lot is much better with todays manufacturing standards. And, I haven't shot a bad round in so many years I can't remember when I last had a dud or a squib.

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here we go another Savage basher!!!:D Dude do you realize you just bashed 7 of my 10 deer rifles!!! (5) Rugers and (2) Savages. I guess I just dont know quality guns huh????:D

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Spoken like a true Remington fan that is in pure denial. You show me one cheap made Ruger. Rugers are built like tanks. Not so with your precious Remington POS.

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Seems to me this is a "two headed monster" type of an argument. Remington, Savage, Ruger, etc..... COULD make a dandy of a rifle that was truly top notch quality in every way....... but not too many of us would buy them at $1500-$2000 a pop. Thinking of it from a purely business standpoint, they all can (and do) sacrifice some on quality to sell rifles at $500 -$800 (which means they'll sell a lot more!).

Besides, if every new rifle cost a pretty penny, we couldn't all own four or five "deer" rifles, right?

Easy solution..... start saving now.... and in a year or two have your dream rifle custom made for about $2000. Once you have that perfect rifle, you can go back to playing with new (more affordable) rifles of various calibers, lengths, etc. All the fun stuff we like to experiment with on $500 rifles that we wouldn't dare do when we are dropping two large!

With all that being said, look at used rifles..... since all the WSM hoopla, a guy (or gal) doesn't have to look too far to find some REAL quality used stuff. I know a guy who picked up a Winchester Super Grade in .270 Win for $400 with not a mark on it!

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hmm well I've owned em all so let me put my 2 cents in here. My Savage my be a clunky POS but it will out shoot any other rifle I have. My Ruger is nothing less than beautiful and very well made, but 3" are all I expect out of that inaccurate SOB. My Remington Looks nice, feels nice, and shoots nice I have no complaints. My Browning is just plain sexy, and shoots almost as good as the Savage.
I don't hate Ruger just becuase my M77 could'nt hit water if it fell out of a boat. They all have their good points & bad points and yes believe it or not every once in a while you come across a dud.

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The Ruger triggers feel just like a tank also :D I'd say it would also be easier to hit something with the tank gun...so there may be a lot of similarities there :D:D As far as a Savage goes..ya cant go wrong with em.


From a proud Remington POS owner!:D

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jderddish, well said I agree. I do own or have owned rifles in Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Savage, and Weatherby. I have yet to own a Browning rifle but I do own a Browning Gold shotgun, my inlaws all own Browning A-Bolts. Everyone has their pro's and con's. Believe it or not my most problematic rifle was my very first .300 WBY in a WBY Mark V Sporter. I don't know what was wrong with it but it was sticky and didn't want to extract the emptys out. After 5 to 8 quick shots the bolt would not even open until it cooled down. I was only 15 when I bought that rifle and only used it for 2 years and I sold it and bought a Winchester Model 70 in .300 WBY that gun was very accurate. The only draw back was I am left handed and it was a right handed gun. I sold it a few years ago, because I mostly bowhunt and I had a lot of medical bills to pay. I can't complain about my left hand Rem 700 LSS in .300 RUM that I bought a year ago.

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Actually my friend and I just went through this scenerio because we both got trigger jobs done from our gunsmith at the same time. His 700 classic was reduced from 5-3/4 lbs down to 2-3/4 and my 77 MKII was reduced from 4.5 down to 2-3/4 so actually his Rem had a harder trigger from the factory than my Ruger. Sorry DD I am pickin on you alot aint I :D

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sounds like you were looking at a model 710..............

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Remington isnt cheaply made. If its anyone that is cheaply making rifles then its savage and ruger. lol???????

Ok I own Remington's, Ithaca's, Mossberg's even Winchester's .....Actually going out to Buy a Nice 700 BDL SS in 300 SAUM here soon, But Savage rifles are ugly, which everyone knows, But can & has been shown to out preform Remington rifles in 308 Models as well as 223 etc etc etc As for Ruger I find there Bolt action Loose & sloppy , This does not mean its A bad built gun, Just maybe That (1) gun Wasnt built properly.....To each there own, But Savage & some rugers Are the best built guns around as well as Remingtons, & esp Ithaca shotguns, Iam a NYer We live on Ithaca made guns here......If you want a truely Built rifle thats on the market, Look up Kimber & pay the price to own one....

Raymond

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Sounds like I started something I didn't mean to. I was merely stating that my older remington 700 feels better, has a slicker bolt, and , in general, is a higher quality rifle than the ones I was handling yesterday. I am not a Remington basher. With regards to the 710, Let's not go there. I own several Remingtons and wouldn't trade them for all the custom rifles made. The biggest gripe i have ever had with Remington was their marketing department ruining my favorite cartridge....The 280 Remington.[:@]

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Ok, guys. I'm probably going to start something here, sound like a moron, or more, but here it goes: Unfortunately, I can't try out all the new guns on the market that come through the shop (can't sell them as new if I did that..... fraud, ya know?). However, when something comes in as a trade, I can take it out back and fire a few rounds. Now I don't own either personally, but last spring (or maybe the spring before, I'm getting old), I took my own personal 700 BDL, a Rem 710, and a Savage F116 out back. Truth is the old BDL looked better, felt better, etc. but the ugly, POS 710, and the ugly cheaply stocked F116 shot just as well. I will admit the 710 is gaining a reputation as having mechanical issues, but I know a bunch of folks who love their Savages. So, the point I'm really going for here is that some of these ugly, cheap guns are good shooters. When the 710 first came out (even before the recalls), I took one on a boar hunt...... dead pig at 125 yards! I wouldn't buy one today, but also have to admit they can do what they are supposed to do.

You all are correct though, my 1988 Remington 700 feels better/looks of a higher quality than the stuff being sold today!

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, my lovely wife uses a newer youth model 7..... the birch stock looks cheap, feels cheap........ but boy can she shoot that gun!

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Please don't even say something like this. I am not taking anything away from the Ruger but its trigger unless completely replaced cannot come near a Remingtons..

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I know the feeling ..pick up one of the old ones and compare it to new and no comparism

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Right about that year is when I had my first problem with a Remington..prior to that not one .

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Swampman, you opened a can of worms on this one! I'm pretty new to this site, but this is the highest level of rhetoric I've heard on any subject. I can hear mossy33 pounding his shoe on the table from here.

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Thank you Broey. I thought i was on an island surrounded by alligators.

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Can't argue with ya' on that one! If the 280Rem. had come out sooner, and been properly loaded to begin with as well, I suspect the 270Win. would just be a memory today. It's a real shame there aren't more rifles chambered for the 280.

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Horse feathers. I have three Rugers that I will put up against any Remington trigger. Yes, I worked on them, and no I didn't replace them but they are slick as glass and crisp at 3.5#s.

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id take a remington over a ruger, just my opinion that the remington is a better designed rifle. there is nothing wrong with ruger rifles I have several ruger rifles just ruger could have done a little better job trying to make their own version of a mauser, But I will say this rugers factory triggers are much softer then a remington factory trigger.

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I have two remingtons... Both from before 1985. Yes they are older than me.:) I have looked at the new ones and there is no comparison in build quality. My friend has a savage 111f sires and it will shoot sub moa groupings all day however, it is ugly as sin, and i cannot stand shooting it.
Then there is my new ruger. yes the action is a bit clickey, but the triger had a crisp 5 lb pull out of the box and I love it.

Farmanimal

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OEH, what happened man??? I found that you were one of the guys on here that I could agree with almost all the time!!! heck you even got me considering one of the 338-06's, but come on dude, give me a break. I will say this, working on a trigger of a Remington is easier than a Ruger, but after that its all about the M77 baaabyyyy!!!!

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Well there is some truth here remington has made 4 rifles that are a tarnish to their name.

1) Model 710 270win

2) Model 710 7mm Rem Mag

3) Model 710 30-06

4) Model 710 300 Win Mag

The reason why this riffle is still around beats the hell out of me?? You can buy a no frills 700, or 7600 for maybe $30 or $50 more and have a riffle that will last you a life time of hunting seasons. I think that Remington and Bushnell should be ashamed of themselves for making this misery loves company combination. Please if I have offended anyone I'm sorry however the problem with today is too much "PC" and not enough truth.

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I don't even know why I am replying to this but this person is just bashing for the sake of bashing.


The Ruger trigger has no overtravel and has to have the sear and trigger stoned in order to reduce creep and lessen the pull weight. Some substitute springs when the pull weight is not satisfactory. When properly done it is a nice trigger but no "GLASS ROD BREAKING". to get anywhere near that effect you need a Timney.. I have been there and done that with every freaking Ruger I have owned. Other then that they may be the best gun value out there.


Now contrast that with a remington trigger adjustment. Undoe the naill polish on the bottom front screw and screw out until desired pull weight down to 2 lbs and test for accidental discharge. I have had no problems with any of the remingtons I have ever owned but one in this department. Unlike the Ruger it has an overtravel adjustment and you don't have to spend 100 dollars buying a Trigger for it that has that feature.


Now we can get back on topic.

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PS I will still not buy a new Remington ..but luckily there are plenty of 60-80's models sitting around that are available.

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Not bashing anything. You said to get close to a Remington trigger with a Ruger the trigger has to be replaced by an aftermarket, and I know for a fact it's not true because I work on both Remingtons and Rugers. The Ruger just takes longer and quite a bit more SKILL.

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Hah, just what we need more gunsmith wannabes on this board. You don't know what your talking about as usual.

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wow this thread is like when someone smacked a bee hive with a brick. Everyone relax and just be happy with your favorite rifle.

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Come on OEH tell us how you REALLY feel, no beatin around the bush!!!!:D

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Sort of like a freaking Walmart post right? I have owned rugers since the 70's in fact it was my third high power rifle and have bought them steadily since. They are great rifles only suffering since inception with piss poor triggers which in most cases a workaround can be done on them. Then I get a guy here who has owned them maybe 2 years or so and he is the self acclaimed expert on them owning maybe 2-3 of them and downgrades anyones opinion on them. Another user to block that's all he is.

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Hey OEH. Now behave. Only me and drift can be abusive like that on these boards:D

We have the market cornered.

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Yep I need to clean the water off the monitor now...:D:D:D Too funny!!!

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Abusive is good..If you want to slam me expect to get slammed back.

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i just purchased a new rem 700 cdl. i did a lot of looking around before the purchase. i am one to be careful with my money and want to find what i feel is best for me. i looked at lots of rifles, and i really liked the feel of the remington. it is a very nice looking rifle. and fit me really well. quite a few rifles, by several makers had sticky and sloppy bolts. then there were guns from the same makers that felt crisp and smooth. the remington i purchased is smooth and there is very little wobble from the bolt. my favorite rifle by far. my father owns lots of winchesters, ithicas, and savages. he loves them all. i feel it is about personal preference. some people like the feel of one rifle, then others like the feel of another. but every manufacture has to cut cost smoewhere nowadays.