I think you are missing my point.
I never said there was anything wrong with remington. I was just using them as an example of a manufacturer.
Here is a hypothetical example for you.When large retailers drastically roll back prices on a product like the 710 for instance, consumers soon realize this and before you know it Walmart is selling more 710's than all the ma and pa shops combined and sales explode for remington. Once walmart has a stranglehold on remingtons sales they can go back to remington and tell them what price they want to pay for the 710, and if they don't get it for that price they won't carry it in the stores. Now remington has to find a way to produce the guns for a lower price and still make a profit because now without walmart they have no sales. The only way they can cut the cost of production is by producing them in china and pay workers around $.40 an hour. and close the plant currently located in ohio.

I'm not saying that this is going to happen but it already has with many other manufacturing companies thanks to cost cutting empires like walmart and that is a fact...

I have a dilemma. I am planning on buying a Marlin 1895gs. I just did my price check and because of this thread I decided to check Wal-Mart. Well Wal-Mart beat the pants off everyone else.

Here are the prices that I found.

Bass Pro $529
Wal-Mart $409
Dicks $499
Dunhams $569
Cabelas $529

That is a pretty big difference.

Tom

Edit: I just got a call back from the guy at Wal-Mart the price was a mis-print. It is actually $493. That sounds more normal.

According to a number of people here, if you buy the one at Wally for $409 you are going to

BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!




Mike

If you truly believe that Walmart is evil, then turn off your computer.

You see, it is technology that has allowed business in one country to easily do business in volume with another. Once the technology is created, change is inevitable and usually permanent.

Walmart is mostly an image of the change all around us, a target for the frustration of people that are naturally worried about change. Walmart did what was there to be done. Americans have benefited from technology in countless ways. Our dollar goes farther because of technology as applied by Walmart, Home Dept, etc, etc. For the moment that dollar is going overseas...for the moment.

As to Walmart's pockets of problems with their business practices, that's fodder for another thread; those problems should be addressed, but poor or unethical business practices are nothing new in the midst of dramatic change.

I enjoyed reading this thread. It is the picture of intelligence versus ignorance, reality versus dreams. The world is a much smaller place that it was 15 years ago, folks.

Oh, and by the way, most businesses trip over themselves fighting for a chance to be located next to a Walmart. Walmart must be doing something right, no?

I'll go back to reading now. I'm still waiting for some shred of proof that they sell inferior firearms.

Well said Vc!

Yeah and the Waltons get richer and more and more US business's go under but I guess in your mind that is only temporary as well.


Name some

No Shi* really I didn't know that





Shred of Proof how bout Remington and Leupold since they have been selling guns and scopes to any of the " Marts". No one said they sold inferior arms and the same model was better built for other retailers. I said because they have to produce in such quantity the entire line of firearms or whatever suffered quality wise . Can you understand that? Because anyone else that replied couldn't with a few exceptions. I purchased a Winchester 70 WSM last year that I bought in Wally World..when I called WInchester parts looking for a replacement stock and floorplate parts they.... they referred to it as a Walmart Gun. SO much for certain gun lines not being made for Walmart. Enough on this subject already.

They just put in a strip mall right next to the Wal-Mart by where I used to live (they actually built it on the west edge of Wal-Marts parking lot). According to my sources, the rent for a single spot in that mini-mall is roughly $10,000/month. If I'm not mistaken, there are 10 commercial spaces, and they all filled up within 3 months of completion. The also put in an Italian restaurant and a Steak & Shake on the east side of their parking lot, and the last time I was up that way they were grading ground to build another commercial building on the west die right next to the mini-mall. I've seen more new commercial development there than any on other place in Cedar Rapids in the last 5 years. The Wal-Mart /Sam's Club on the north side of town is the same way...completely surrounded by stores on three sides. Now they're putting in a new Wal-Mart in Marion, and you can bet that there are commercial developments planned to do in simultantiously or shortly after the Wal-Mart is finished.

And do you want to know the real kicker about the other businesses that spring up around these Wal-Marts? With a couple exceptions, they are mostly entreprenurial small businesses (the proverbial Ma 'n' Pop) or regional franchises. Guess nobody told them that Wal-Mart was bad for small business, huh?

Mike

Drift I think VC meant business's that sell to Walmart

Not true!

Of the rifles and shotguns I've bought new, I've bought all of them at Bass Pro here in town. And you know what? The prices are the same as those at Wal-mart, or no more than $10 difference. So, does Bass Pro stock these mythical "Wal-mart" guns or do they have "Bass Pro" copies made by slave labor in some other part of the world?

And another thing. Why is everybody so sentimental over jobs at a "mom and pop" store? Is it really that much of a difference if your neighbor owns the store vs being the manager at Bass Pro or Wal-mart?


As for all those forced laborers at Wal-mart, Target, K-mart, etc....

How many employees of "mom-and-pop" stores have even a minimum level of benefits? Bet close to none. And I doubt you'll find that those stores offered any kind of benefits even before Wal-mart moved into the area. I wouldn't think there's too many workers who would consider it beneficial to go work for "mom and pop" and trade their health care insurance for nostalgia if given the opportunity.