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this kid had good ideas. im gonna sell al my guns and hunt exclusively with magnums and a 20 ga. and im going to start trimming my toenails with a 3500 rpm dremel tool. same principal right? so im thinking 270 wsm for squirels and birds and the 300 wsm for coyotes and varmints and we'll save the mighty 20 ga for geese, deer and turkeys

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Stick in your pipe and smoke......OK?

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I can't help but laugh at this kid.

I can just see it now. He spends $10,000 to go on a hunt in Alaska. Only to find out his ammo didn't make it their. He goes to a shop and can't find any 300 loudenboomer shells.

And I love his comment on patter from a shotgun doesn't matter, only pellet count. That was priceless.

If he shoots rabbits with a 12 or 20 gauge, I bet his dentist loves him. Always fixing broken teeth and all.

I'm not even going to try and argue his "theories". I would have better luck talking to this can of pepsi in front of me. I'm not sure, but I think my coon hound is laying here on the floor laughing at this kid also.:D

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ahhh..its called sarcasm..lighten up

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bud you are a dumb A**, by the way my favorite inferior cartridge is the 351 WCF bet you never heard of it, usually ignorant fools like yourself dont know much about the histories and origins of cartridges which make every cartridge very unique. Also I hate to burst your bubble the WSM and WSSM cartridges I really doubt will ever become as popular or as dominant as the 308, 30-06 300 win mag, 7 mag etc as you seem to think. I will say the WSSM cartridges may stick around for awhile but the WSM's are already fading out dying away in popularity. since winchesters spoof of WSM and WSSM cartridges they are seriously lacking in rifles available in standard cartridges I can tell you of rifle sales winchester missed out because they didnt have the rifles i wanted in 6mm and 22-250 I'm just one guy who would have bought 2 rifles from winchester in the past year but think about if this happened to me think about how many other winchester patrons that happened to which resulted in them buying other brands. with that kind of marketing ethics it will only be a matter of time before the wave of the WSM and WSSM cartridges die out and hit US repeating arms where it hurts then they will have to resort back to standard cartridges. well atleast you seem content living in your fairy tale world of WSM and WSSM being the final authority in the cartridge world. [:o][:o]

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now that i have calmed down a bit its time reflect on this kids post LOL :D:D:D

I about swallowed my wad of copenhagen black when i about fell out of my chair laughing my brains out.:D:D:D:D BLAHAHAH!!!

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after reading sevarl more of buckmaster7's posts I have literally had enough.

Amen to who ever posted, only idiots argue with idiots.

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270,308,30-06 are here to stay! heres my opion. people that upgrade there rifles to mag or wsm calibers have no convidence in there shooting. most shoots are with in 100 yards and as far out to 300-350 yards if my 308 (270,280,30-06) cant take most big game (except maybe big bears) at these distances there is something wrong. remember one thing when picking your next caliber.ITS NOT THE GUN ITS THE GUNNER. shot placment is most importent. there is no animal in the world that can live with a hole in its heart.none.

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well i dont want to be an idiot, but i have used a .410 for hunting grouse and rabbits and i think it is an excellent gun, i also use a 20ga for the same purpose, the only differece i can tell you between the two, is that with the 20ga is that you can shoot at a farther distace and get a wider shot pattern when you try and shoot while the bird are in flight. now if you use a 12 ga, you will pretty much make hamburger meat, i think the 12ga is the best for goose and duck hunting because you get better velocity.

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jaybird2 wrote:
I agree that the 30-06 and 270 class cartridges are here to stay, but the rest of the statement is pretty broad don't you think? I bought my first magnum rifle this past year after 25 years of deer hunting. Why did I buy it? There are several reasons and not a single one was due to my lack of shooting confidence. I bought it because I wanted it, I could afford it, I wanted something new and different, and it might come in handy one day. Did I need it? Certainly not as I have taken deer with much less powerful rounds...such as the 30-30.

I'm sure there are people who buy magnum rifles and expect them to make up for poor shot placement, poor hunting skills and poor marksmanship. Magnum cartridges are not required to kill game but there are hunters and situations that warrant their use.

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Buck Master7....different Strokes ----for different FOLKS!!!
To each his OWN!.....Why do you care, people use those combinations?
It did't COST you anything!

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What I can't believe is that this thread has gone on for 10 pages.
This is obviously some kid who's had his nose buried in Winchester's sales broucheres for too long.
It's just too easy to imagine this kid pouring over the ballistic charts comparing foot pounds of pressure and trajectory tables and thinking that's all there is to hunting. I'm willing to bet he's never shot half of the calibers and gauges he's preached on much less hunted game with them.
My 10 gauge double is a great goose gun because of it's weight and 30 inch barrel. I can realy reach out and touch the big birds with deadly effect. I don't like wounding them. Trust me, a goose with a broken wing can still run for a long way.
Inside of 40 yards nothing kills better than buck shot. Nothing will bring down a deer faster than 15 .38 cal balls of lead at once. Of the 4 deer I've shot with it they have all ran a combined total of 0 yards. Yes that's right, 0 yards. Every single one of them dropped where it stood.
Everyone else has argued on behalf of the .410 quite well so I won't repeat what has already been said well enough of such a fine performing round/gauge.
Go shoot a couple hundred rounds of 20 gauge if you think it doesn't kick very much. I'm sporting a purple shoulder that will argue otherwise.
The short magnum that Winchester have come out with are all quality rounds that have their uses but don't believe the sales pitch too much. If the gun is going to kick, it's going to kick. That mercury recoil "thing" that Benelli came out with is nice but it won't make a 3 1/2 12 gauge feel like a 20 gauge no matter what anyone says. All of the other recoil reducers help but they do come with tradeoff's. Muzzle brakes do soften the kick but the noise will make you deaf and cause you to flinch even more than the recoil ever did.
The only significant advantage of a flat shooting round is that a 200 yard zero will still keep the round withing 6 inches of the reticle aiming point from 50 to 300 yards. That's awful nice if you can hold the rifle steady enough in actual hunting conditions. Most of us can't unless we drag out shooting sticks or a tripod. Heck I know of a guy who built an elevated blind with an actual bench rest equiped with a rifle vise. It's a pity to hear him say that he can't shoot well without it. The vast majority aff all deer I ever shot were within 150 yards. Half were within 50 while I still hunted or stand hunted from a tree stand from within the woods. I used an iron sighted 30-30 from a standing off hand position. If the deer apears out at 200 yards I just aim for it's back and the bullet will hit it's heart. Yep thats right, I've killed deer out to 200 yards with an iron sighted 30-30. Why not, it has more energy at 300 yards than a .357 magnum pistol at the muzzle. Care to argue the power of a .357 from point blank range?
The trouble with flat shooting rifles is that to get that kind of performance you have to use relatively light bullets. Light bullets don't hold together too well and fragment if they hit bone. To kill any animal you have to hit and destroy it's vital organs. Even deer shoulder bones will stop a light bullet. Don't preach to me about hydrostatic shock, I've heard it all before. It won't kill a grizzly while a heavy 500 grain cast lead 45/70 will.

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do you think the military should do away with the small caliber shells like the 155mm howitzer and just use the 2000lb H bomb? just wanted to know your thoughts on that too buckmaster7.

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I cannot believe there are 10 pages of posts from otherwise sane people even arguing with this Nintendo user.

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boy I just looked at your profile... you don't even have a clue as to whats going on... come back in another 20 or 30 years after you get some experience and make those same remarks...

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bump, i thought with the seasons getting close this could be some usXef information

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I regret even wasting the time to read this thread.

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So you're the guy who dregded this thread up from the murky depths where it should have stayed.

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lol!! that sounds about right i guess!!!:D:Dwell i guess that's what you would need to do going buy his principles...

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i completely agree. if you really wanted to though you could use the 06 for bears. i know for a fact i'm not getting rid of my 06 any time soon for any reason. but i guess since it's a long action cartridge and he shoots a short mag it automatically means that he will shoot more accurately than me.

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well i just read this whole thread and all i have to say is that this kid's giving teens like me a bad name. by no means should a 17 year old tell people how it "is" when he/ she has little or no experience. i don't understand. sure a person is entitled to his/her own opinions but that doesn't give that person the right to criticize people who don't have the same thoughts on a subject.

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I used my dremel once to remove my corns, worked great I couldnt believe my resourcefullnes. Until the next day I realized my entire foot felt like it has a blister on it where I was grinding away at them.

i would like to disagree with this, 16 gauge is a unique gauge, so what if its in the middle. my dad gets ammo super cheap for it. also the .410 is just a cool gun to have. good for shooting squirrels and great for youths.

"yeah, I knew it all when I was 16 too!"
RR

+ however many of us are no longer 16 either !!!

We revived a thread from 2005, how exciting. Reading through it was entertaining though.
-Jake

really ... 2005????? wtf this kid is probably out of school now ....

If you use classic cartridges you'd never need to address these comments anyway.............

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I "hope" he did graduate thought ???

I do not see enough gain in "horsepower" in the WSM & WSSM rounds to justy buying one. I have been shooting a 270-Winchester for many years. The 270-WSM IMHO does not have enough of a gain to justify the change.
However IMHO the 270-Weatherby is enough of a step up to justify the change.

Just because some of those short magnum rounds show an improvement on paper does not mean that we need to justify the costs associated with changing over to them. The deer have not gotten any harder to kill and the bullets have only improved the effectiveness of the older rounds. If you think that the 410, 28 gauge and 10 gauge should be extinct and have no usefulness then you obviously haven't used one yourself.

You guys responding to the OP do realize that this thread is 5 years old and BuckMaster7 hasn't posted since February of 2005 don't you????????

WOW!!! LOL, I always miss the good stuff. And, I have to admit , that years back I bought into the wsm hype and boughttwo of them (yep, two) A featherweight(because I always wanted one) in 300wsm and a SuperShadow(so I wouldnt bang up my pretty featherweight in the mountains,lol) in 7mmwsm. Sold the 7mm after having it only a year...very accurate, but the ammo got scarce when that caliber didnt take off like the others. Had to sell the featherweight earlier this year to pay bills or I would still have it( most accurate weapon I have ever owned..1/2"@100 with 150bst). But since it is gone,it will be replaced with an 06 or 300 win mag. I WAS gettin a little tired of spending 2 dollars plus every time i pulled the trigger. BTW.... I'm only 5'6" @ 140lbs and the recoil of the big loads never bothered me. It's all in what you feel to be comfortable with you!

This had me in tears :party0005:

holy thread resurrection, some serious grave-digging going on here:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

plus BM7 is probably working on the next big thing now:s5:

guy was so smart he could tell you what a pound of air weighs:s5:

LOL I found this thread and just had a few great laughs. I love it!

cost of ammo on the WSM's is far more costly and not as availible as .270 .308 & 30.06.roy weatherby had the same theory many years ago and the old calibers still survived and are still more popular than the mags.

Yup did realize that when I posted

There are some states that do not allow the use of slugs for deer hunting, just buckshot. Thats where a 10ga 3-1/2" load would make a 20ga cry. I hunt alot with a 20ga, geese, deer and doves. I shoot it alot in skeet as well. I used to own an Ithaca Big Mag 10ga back in the day of lead and loved it for geese!!!!!!!! Would not have thought any different. Loaded 2oz of copper plated BB's or lead t shot, buffered it and killed geese beyond where a 20ga could even reach!!!!!

I remember my first beer....

But without the .410...what would I keep on my boat to kill large slabs (Halibut)?

LMAO...move along, nothing to see here...LOL

I must really be behind the times. The last three deer I shot: .303 Savage, 6mm Rem., and .22 Savage Hi-Power