mini 14/30
12-14-2004, 11:23 PM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Body in SE WI, mind in U.P.
Posts: 4,781
RE: mini 14/30
I've heard that the easiest and cheapest accuracy modification is to have a gunsmith cut the barrel down to just a bit longer than minimum length.
The barrel is thin and whippy- remove some of the wippiness and it becomes more shootable.
The barrel is thin and whippy- remove some of the wippiness and it becomes more shootable.
12-15-2004, 07:13 PM
#13
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: gays mills wisconsin
Posts: 168
RE: mini 14/30
i own a mini 14 and my uncle has a stainless steel one they both are semi auto ranch rifles with big scopes and i have great accuracy with them i never heard of them not being accurate i shot a deer 150 yards running one shot they work great and if you put a nice scope on it the gun can be great i love the gun and i think it is better then a AR and they are realy nice if you get a cheak rest and a stainless steel clip
good luck 14's rock thats all i'm saying
good luck 14's rock thats all i'm saying
12-16-2004, 01:40 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Gypsum KS USA
Posts: 1,289
RE: mini 14/30
Dead_eye, a sighting in a rifle isn't going to change it's group size at all. You're not going to take a 2MOA rifle that shoots 4" low and 6" right at 100yrds, sight it in and suddenly have a 1MOA rifle that's on target, you'll just have a 2MOA rifle that shoots on target. Sighting in just changes where the group is centered, it has absolutely NO effect on how well the rifle groups.
I apologize if this seems...harsh...at all, but we've had a LOT of new guys join lately, and while I'm glad to see the new blood in the forum, a lot of these guys are making stupid errors like this that get on my nerves...From now on, I'm going to help these new guys by pointing out THINGS THAT ALL SHOOTERS SHOULD KNOW in order to make them better, more knowledgable sportsmen.
I apologize if this seems...harsh...at all, but we've had a LOT of new guys join lately, and while I'm glad to see the new blood in the forum, a lot of these guys are making stupid errors like this that get on my nerves...From now on, I'm going to help these new guys by pointing out THINGS THAT ALL SHOOTERS SHOULD KNOW in order to make them better, more knowledgable sportsmen.
12-16-2004, 03:29 PM
#16
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Fine State of Wisconsin
Posts: 57
RE: mini 14/30
I think i was misunderstood, because i know that. I meant like if the sights are screwed up or something like its shooting left or right. Because i have bought guns out of the box that have shot groups way off like when i bought my .22 it was about 5 inches left and a bit low. i should have been more clear about that sorry. I guess when i think of MOA i think of that being around the center of the target, which isnt a fact.
12-16-2004, 03:59 PM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Gypsum KS USA
Posts: 1,289
RE: mini 14/30
I'll now introduce you to the real meanings of accuracy and precision.
Check out a dictionary sometime....When we say "accurate", we typically mean "precise"--> look it up.
Accuracy is how close you are to the bullseye. Basically, if the center of your group is centered on the target, you're shooting "accurately".
Precision is how close your shots are to eachother. If your groups are very small, your rifle has high repeatability and is very "precise".
Any gun, given the proper amount of sight adjustment can be made to shoot "accurately". Accuracy has nothing to do with group size in it's raw definition. If the group is centered on the bullseye, your gun is accurate...move your sights far enough and shoot a big enough target and you'll be able to center a 10ft group on the bullseye.
Precision shooting, on the other hand, is shooting small groups. I can make ANY gun accurate just with sight adjustments, I cannot, make a gun more precise by adjusting the sights (sighting in).
It's kind of a misnomer when people say they have an "accurate" rifle. Like I said, I can make any gun accurate, they have a "precise" rifle that they've sighted in, making it both accurate and precise.
When your rifle was off by a few inches, it was inaccurate, it deviated from the "true" value, it deviated from the bullseye...But, sighting it in only moved your point of aim. It changed nothing about where the bullet is headed after it leaves the muzzle.
Mini-14's can be made to shoot their big groups centered on the bullseye-any gun can be made accurate by sighting it in.
However, they're still going to shoot big "Imprecise" groups...fixing this takes a bit of money. Like others have mentioned, it's usually better to just buy an AR-15 than to try your luck with a Mini (and I'm one of the biggest Ruger fans you'll meet!)
If you're looking for a 30cal, then an SKS can be had for about 1/3 the cost of a mini-30, and like briman mentioned, it'll do everything the mini-30 can do just as "inaccurately".
Some SKS's are quite accurate though. I'd also venture that you could find a CETME .308win (7.62NATO) for cheaper than a Mini-30 that would have a lot more power and be more accurate...I bought my current CETME for $250, it shoots very well, I just wish I could find a good scope mount for it.
Check out a dictionary sometime....When we say "accurate", we typically mean "precise"--> look it up.
Accuracy is how close you are to the bullseye. Basically, if the center of your group is centered on the target, you're shooting "accurately".
Precision is how close your shots are to eachother. If your groups are very small, your rifle has high repeatability and is very "precise".
Any gun, given the proper amount of sight adjustment can be made to shoot "accurately". Accuracy has nothing to do with group size in it's raw definition. If the group is centered on the bullseye, your gun is accurate...move your sights far enough and shoot a big enough target and you'll be able to center a 10ft group on the bullseye.
Precision shooting, on the other hand, is shooting small groups. I can make ANY gun accurate just with sight adjustments, I cannot, make a gun more precise by adjusting the sights (sighting in).
It's kind of a misnomer when people say they have an "accurate" rifle. Like I said, I can make any gun accurate, they have a "precise" rifle that they've sighted in, making it both accurate and precise.
When your rifle was off by a few inches, it was inaccurate, it deviated from the "true" value, it deviated from the bullseye...But, sighting it in only moved your point of aim. It changed nothing about where the bullet is headed after it leaves the muzzle.
Mini-14's can be made to shoot their big groups centered on the bullseye-any gun can be made accurate by sighting it in.
However, they're still going to shoot big "Imprecise" groups...fixing this takes a bit of money. Like others have mentioned, it's usually better to just buy an AR-15 than to try your luck with a Mini (and I'm one of the biggest Ruger fans you'll meet!)
If you're looking for a 30cal, then an SKS can be had for about 1/3 the cost of a mini-30, and like briman mentioned, it'll do everything the mini-30 can do just as "inaccurately".
Some SKS's are quite accurate though. I'd also venture that you could find a CETME .308win (7.62NATO) for cheaper than a Mini-30 that would have a lot more power and be more accurate...I bought my current CETME for $250, it shoots very well, I just wish I could find a good scope mount for it.
