What do ya mean, Good question, its been asked and beated like 100 times on every gun page imaginable. The only reason I even bother to answer is some people actually want to know why a fast cartridge may benefit them compared to a older cartridge. Or maybe an honest to goodness, search for knowledge. But most are just people trying to push there ideas on others. Or they are insecure cause people don't shoot what they shoot.

WYOTE. No problem there. The manufactures will keep pumping out the new stuff and I will buy some of it. I have already ordered the 25 WSSM but it looks like August before they will be out. It will be equal to the 25-06 but just the lenght of the 223 and 243 Winchester Super Short Mags. I have always been a big fan of the 25's. I may look hard at the Vanguard as well as it will come out this year in 257 Weatherby Mag.

So Superpig: By saying that there is no need for better tec. on new cal. . I guess that you have only one gun that you shoot everything that you hunt with . Im not trying to make you mad or start a major arguement here, but there is a high demand for different and better calibers, different bullets, powders, ect....... There is a place for everything. if we weere all the same we would only have one gun in the same caliber. Thats like saying that there was no reason for the allmighty 30-06, or the new 7mmSTW. Here is a thought . Take the two rounds that you load in the 30-06 and the 300win mag to the range. and you will find out why the 300 win mag is still around today. I own a 338Rum, and I didnt buy it to impress the guys at camp. I bought it becous I dont care for Weatherby ammo, or their rifles. cost to much money. One more thing before I go . If a 338Rum with a 250 grain Swift A-Frame factory bullet. Travles faster and Hits Harder at any range than a 375 HH mag. How does it not have more penitration than the 375HH?? Just a question.

Not everyone claims that 500 yards is way to far to shoot game.A very practised shooter with the right equipment and under perfect conditions can consistantly place bullets accurately enough to provide clean kills at 500 yards.I hunt with 7mmstw's and 300ultramags and my average shot is around 200 yards but I have killed game as far as 480 yards with a few kills over 400 yards and several over 300 yards.I practise regularly at various distances out to 500 yards(several hundred rounds annually)use rifles that I consistantly shoot 3" to 4" groups with at 500 yards and use a laser rangefinder to eliminate ranging errors.The cartridges that I use provide more than adequate energy as well as less wind drift and flatter trajectory which reduces holdover at longer distances so they do offer an advantage to me.

For the most part of my basis on the question is that almost all the clients that email on hunt information want to know if their old 270 or 30-06 is enough gun for elk. They always seem to be influenced by the new articles written in magazines or their buddies saying they can't kill with that small of a caliber. I know all of caliber size is strictly personal choice.

The big thing about supermags is the manufactures advertising push to say its the best. And it may be but with all the new calibers to hit the market in the last six years would take alot of money to buy and field test them all. I shoot magnums and calibers like the 270 win but the point of the forum was to see if anyone had the same thoughts as I did.

Advertisers put a positive spin on ads. Nooo, say it ain't so. I think advertisers of different types have been doing that since the dawn of the oldest profession. And you know what that is.

I agree that people ask some crazy quesitons these days about what to bring on a hunt. I have traveled on a few big game hunts and know the insercurity about what to bring and what not to bring. I mean its not easy to come up 4K for a decent hunt. But I learned something very important on the last one while moose hunting in Newfoundland. Its not the caliber I should be worrying about, not the type of glass you have on your rig, not even the binocs, but more of what physical shape you are in. A guy going to Newfie in excellent shape, with a 243Win and a set of tasco binocs, has 5X more of a shot at killing a good moose than a out of shape guy with a 300Win Mag and a set of Leica Binocs. They can push on and cover three times more land, and pass up much more moose to find the one they like.

So really, as long as the gun is a high powered rifle within reason, it really is a moot point.

One more thing I learned on that hunt. The lighter your gun, the better within reason. I carried a 11lb custom. Toooooo Much.

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DG,

Dispute or disecting is a way of gaining public opinion. You put your two cents in right? The thing is some are into new things some like the old. And finding out why some like the new things gives you insite to the whole picture.. thanks for the post

Yes but after reading further and figuring out your an outfitter yourself, I don't think you are looking for just opinions. I figure a guy like you has it already figured out on what he thinks or believes and reading posts from us isn't going to change that. And instead of being an informative post, just another way of saying, you don't like "super Magnums" and think everyone should drive the same truck you do, shoot the same gun you do, chew the same tobacco you do and who knows what else. At first I just thought you was a person in search of knowledge on what a Ultra Mag is good for.

Besides the topic has been beat to death.