bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
11-14-2003, 05:39 AM
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bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
Ok so here' s the deal. I' d like to get a 300 in the near future but I' m not crazy about having the same old 300 win or wby everyone else I know has. So I' ve been thinking that maybe I should cosider a 300 H&H mag. Does anyone know how these stack up against the win and wby and even what at 300 H&H might cost. Any help would be great.
11-14-2003, 05:51 AM
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RE: bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
Hi MThunter,
Without doing a little research up front I' m not sure who might still be chambering for the .300 H&H straight from the factory. Hopefully someone on the board may know offhand. But as far as how it stacks up....
As loaded by the factories it operates at slightly lower pressures than either the .300 Winchester Magnum or the .300 Weatherby Magnum. It also has less muzzle velocity with all bullet weights. So it puts it smack dab in the middle between the .30-06 and the other two .300' s. Reloading can get a little more out of it...but it will not exceed the other two magnums.
It is a very good and useful cartridge, particularly for North American game. It is not nearly as common any more as the other two magnums so finding factory ammo is a little more difficult. If you reload that is of absolutely no consequence. If you are looking for something a little less common, and don' t mind the special considerations, it is a very wonderful cartridge. (As well as coming with a " storied" past.)
Good luck with your decision!
Without doing a little research up front I' m not sure who might still be chambering for the .300 H&H straight from the factory. Hopefully someone on the board may know offhand. But as far as how it stacks up....
As loaded by the factories it operates at slightly lower pressures than either the .300 Winchester Magnum or the .300 Weatherby Magnum. It also has less muzzle velocity with all bullet weights. So it puts it smack dab in the middle between the .30-06 and the other two .300' s. Reloading can get a little more out of it...but it will not exceed the other two magnums.
It is a very good and useful cartridge, particularly for North American game. It is not nearly as common any more as the other two magnums so finding factory ammo is a little more difficult. If you reload that is of absolutely no consequence. If you are looking for something a little less common, and don' t mind the special considerations, it is a very wonderful cartridge. (As well as coming with a " storied" past.)
Good luck with your decision!
11-14-2003, 06:57 AM
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RE: bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
Hard to find ammo and by comparison it is a notably weaker cartridge compared to a 300WinMag or 300Weatherby (all time greats).
If you want to be different, then go up not down, say a 300 RUM or 30-378. Of course this is likely to require that you pick up a little different technique for firearms handling -- not too hard to do; however it does require a conscious effort. Regretably most folks are loathe to do anything different from what they' ve been doing all along when it comes to technique.
If going up is not an option, then how about a 300 Savage -- you' ll be different and it won' t require any change in technique or cause any discomfort.
Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Showtime,
EKM
If you want to be different, then go up not down, say a 300 RUM or 30-378. Of course this is likely to require that you pick up a little different technique for firearms handling -- not too hard to do; however it does require a conscious effort. Regretably most folks are loathe to do anything different from what they' ve been doing all along when it comes to technique.
If going up is not an option, then how about a 300 Savage -- you' ll be different and it won' t require any change in technique or cause any discomfort.
Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Showtime,
EKM
11-14-2003, 07:23 AM
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RE: bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
Hi MtHunter:
That .30-378 sure would be different. I hve never seen one, but it looks awfully impressive, shooting a 150 gr bullet at over 3500fps! If you want to try something different that won' t break the bank (or your shoulder) look at the .300 Dakota.
That .30-378 sure would be different. I hve never seen one, but it looks awfully impressive, shooting a 150 gr bullet at over 3500fps! If you want to try something different that won' t break the bank (or your shoulder) look at the .300 Dakota.
11-14-2003, 01:36 PM
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RE: bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
here' s a Remington .300 H&H model 721 (yes I restocked it) that I took tio Africa on my first plains game hunt.
I shot 200 Grain Swift A-Frames at over 2900' /sec (26" barrel) with amazing accuracy.....It' s a keeper and I bought it used for under $250
It does help to be a hand loader.
I shot 200 Grain Swift A-Frames at over 2900' /sec (26" barrel) with amazing accuracy.....It' s a keeper and I bought it used for under $250
It does help to be a hand loader.
11-14-2003, 02:39 PM
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RE: bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
Nothing wrong with either the .300 Win or .300 Wby and ammo is certainly easier to come by. However, I can understand you wanting to do something different. When everyone else was using .30-06' s I got a 7mm mag. When everyone started using .300 Win' s I got a .300 Weatherby. But I' m not so concerned about being different now. I just want what works. Since the only big game I hunt are whitetails, my next rifle, therefore, will be a Win model 70 chambered for the good ol' .30-06.
11-15-2003, 09:49 PM
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RE: bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
I shoot a Browning BAR in 300 WSM. Can shoot everything on the North American Continent. Most of my hunting is for whitetails with an occasional elk thrown in. This' ll do!
11-18-2003, 08:51 PM
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RE: bit of a dilema on 300s-need advice
Solitary M
If you' re only intending on hunting whitetails and like the model 70, forget the 30.06 and get yourself a M. 70 Compact Classic in 7mm.08. Devastating cartridge for deer sized game (& b. bear) much flatter than the .06 and less recoil. The little M.70 is a sweetheart to carry, quick to bring up and a pretty good shooter.
As for the 300 H&H, IMHO it' s a cartridge of yesteryear and there is nothing to be gained ballistic wise by acquiring a rifle in that caliber today. UNLESS it' s for the love of an old Classic. I often use my M.70 in 300 H&H (on nice days) for moose but also fully knowing a 30.06 is almost as good and a 300 Win Mag would be better.
I wish the photo did a better job of showing the condition of my old Classic shown here which was manufactured in 1943 and which by the way is all original. gg.
If you' re only intending on hunting whitetails and like the model 70, forget the 30.06 and get yourself a M. 70 Compact Classic in 7mm.08. Devastating cartridge for deer sized game (& b. bear) much flatter than the .06 and less recoil. The little M.70 is a sweetheart to carry, quick to bring up and a pretty good shooter.
As for the 300 H&H, IMHO it' s a cartridge of yesteryear and there is nothing to be gained ballistic wise by acquiring a rifle in that caliber today. UNLESS it' s for the love of an old Classic. I often use my M.70 in 300 H&H (on nice days) for moose but also fully knowing a 30.06 is almost as good and a 300 Win Mag would be better.
I wish the photo did a better job of showing the condition of my old Classic shown here which was manufactured in 1943 and which by the way is all original. gg.
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