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Well calling the guns factory junk maybe wasn' t the right choice of words for you to use. If you think that the Tikka is a great deal for the money I have to disagree. Platic trigger gaurds, plastic magazines, still has to have trigger adjusted, doesn' t shoot any better groups than my Marlin MR7 Bolt action. If you want a benchrest rifle then that' s what you should buy. Besides, buying American made products and doing a little work to them is better than sending my money overseas.

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F4YG,I bought a Tikka " Whitetail Hunter" a couple of months ago. I haven' t been to the range with it yet,but I' m impresssed with the workmanship I see.I haven' t looked at a T3 .There might be a big difference in them I don' t know.I do agree with you about keeping our money here and not overseas.I' ve heard so much praise about the Tikka' s I wanted to give one a try.Not sure when I' ll get to the range to try it out but I' m looking forward to going. With hunting season here it will be awhile. I bought the Tikka in 7mm RM.
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Traitor, If Bill Ruger was still with us he' d be disappointed in you.:D

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WHY BUY IT IF YOU DONT LIKE THE TRIGGER AND EVERYTHING ELESE JUST ASKING.DONT TAKE WRONG WAY...

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I hate my rem 700 because it doesn' t have rubies and saphires inlaid in the stock, and the metal on the rifle isn' t gold plated.[:@]

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I' m no gun tech and I don' t reload (yet). I was never a very good shot and I don' t follow the latest trend in firearms. However 3 years ago I traded 2 old shotguns and still pumped out a pretty penny for a Weatherby Mark V ultralightweight in 30-06. I' ve done nothing to the rifle but shoot it, say what you will about Weatherby I' m a much better shooter than I ever was before and to date have not found a single flaw with this gun. Weatherby promises a 1 1/2 three shot group at 100 yards, and that' s what my rifle does every weekend at the range. By the way that' s with factory ammuniton[:-]

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i' ve never owned any tikka or sako, but i got lots of browning' s... shotguns and rifles and i' m thinking what you pay for is usually what you get. just got a new abolt in 7mm WSM and i couldnt be more excited to get it sighted in this weekend!!

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How can you expect less than an 8lb pull outa the factory. These companies are only trying to save their own rear-end on safety liability issues. A 2lb trigger means more lawsuits. Not hard to figure out,

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Wolf, while I must agree with you on fit, finish, etc., etc., on current factory rifles, I suspect what you are looking for is custom rifles at factory prices. A nationally-known riflesmith recently told me that, if available today, the old Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifles would cost over $5,000 today just due to the amount of handwork that went into them. While such quality was never quite available in the pre-64 Model 70' s, they were much better in final finish and hand-fitting than they are today. The factories just can' t put this kind of work into a production rifle, and still be able to sell it at a profit to the majority of today' s shooters! Those who can afford to pay such prices generally buy custom or hand-made guns to begin with. And just look at the prices on these!! Even semi-custom guns like the Dakota Hunter models sell for almost $2,000!

Kyle, how much more do you think it would cost a company in hand-labor to get a decent 2# pull out of that 8# trigger that they just slap on and ship? Probably about as much as you have to pay a ' smith to lighten and slick it up after you buy it!

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If looks is what your after, you should inspect the gun before you buy it.

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Yep sako or browning the savages shoot good but i' ve had rough actions etc and it looked like I fitted them.

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I guess I' m doing pretty good with my 1" 5 shot groups @ 100 with my 1903 Springfield?

Can' t use custom loads out of it or I might even get better groups. (Too much head space with the thousands of rounds that have been fired through it.)

Just this year I had the stock checked for proper floating and had it glass bedded. The original trigger honed and sear shortened because of the creap.

Next is a new barrel then custom loads here I come. I bet with this 98 year old gun I could keep up with the best of those mass produced rifles.

I' m just particular on those older antiques.

Oh and my .270 Savage 110 it shoots ok with the custom loads that were built for it.

I' ve been thinking of putting them aside and having Match Grade Arms build me an Ultra Lite

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In my expereince most rifles take a bit of playing to accurize them. Little adjustments make a big difference at the range. Ammo selection really seems to make a difference as well. Not all rifles like to shoot all bullets in thier caliber. You have to find what your rifle likes to shoot.

I went on a major research kick a couple of years ago to find a new versitile rifle. I was not sold on many low cost/quality brands - I just didn' t like the feels of them. I looked at everything I could find except custom shops since they were out of my price range. I found a Tika that I liked but did not buy it because it did not " feel" quite like a Sako. Many trips to gun shows and gun shops later, I found a Kongsberg Rifle - Norwegan made - a bit cheaper model of the Lakelander (Swedish made). The inventor or the action and magazine won an engineering award at the worlds fair in the 1980' s for it - he also used some " space shuttle" coating in the bore that was supposed to quickly dissapate heat - on the Lakelander model only. It was written up in Guns & Ammo and Rifle Shooter - It is a good combination of look and feel. I do not have that model so I can' t attest to it but it sure sounded good. Long story shorter...I have done nothing to the rifle except play with bullet manufacturers and adjust the trigger from about 6lbs down to about 2 (fully adjustable and the barrel and action are floated and bedded) and it shoots sub 1 MOA if the operator can get his act together.

You can find them on the auction sites if you have an interest.

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hey oldelkhunter,

I like to hang with those guys with the 40 year old rifles and scopes, especially if they' ve owned them that long. figure I can learn somethin' :D:D

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Tikka ,Sako ,and Browning are the best out there.