Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
10-24-2003, 03:59 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
I have had my fill of poor quality rifles, Remington, Ruger, Winchester & Savage are all brands of rifles I have owned. I am tired of buying these manufactures junk rifles.
I have a Ruger M-77 Mark-II 270-Winchester that will barly shoot 2" groups. This Ruger came from the factory with a lawyer installed 8-pound trigger. [:@]
I have a Savage that will shoot one hole groups. This rifle has a bad trigger and very poor quality on all parts. I have seen third grade kids take more pride in there work than Savage.[:@]
Winchester What can I say good about them?................. I guess nothing! I owned two of there rifles in the past neither would shoot & both were of poor quality.
Remington Proud makers of JUNK. All Remingtons come complete with bad triggers, poor fit to finish quality & cheap barrels. I think Fred Sanford from Sanford & Son is there CEO.
I am going to start selling all of my junk rifles & buy only custom rifles from makers like David Gentry, Kenny Jerret & Dan Cooper.
I have a Ruger M-77 Mark-II 270-Winchester that will barly shoot 2" groups. This Ruger came from the factory with a lawyer installed 8-pound trigger. [:@]
I have a Savage that will shoot one hole groups. This rifle has a bad trigger and very poor quality on all parts. I have seen third grade kids take more pride in there work than Savage.[:@]
Winchester What can I say good about them?................. I guess nothing! I owned two of there rifles in the past neither would shoot & both were of poor quality.
Remington Proud makers of JUNK. All Remingtons come complete with bad triggers, poor fit to finish quality & cheap barrels. I think Fred Sanford from Sanford & Son is there CEO.
I am going to start selling all of my junk rifles & buy only custom rifles from makers like David Gentry, Kenny Jerret & Dan Cooper.
10-24-2003, 05:22 PM
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RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
I have a Savage that will shoot one hole groups. This rifle has a bad trigger and very poor quality on all parts.
I do agree with Briman though. Browning and Tikka are hard to beat, but you probably won' t like the composite magazine of the Tikka.
10-24-2003, 06:33 PM
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RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
You' re on the right track...but include Browning with the Rugers, Remingtons, Winchesters, and Savages. Pretty work, but poor performance.
Clint
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10-24-2003, 08:17 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
Wolfkiller,would you please let me know what " junk" Ruger' s and Remington' s you have for sale? I am interested in purchasing all that you have, how about $50 a piece, I think that' s a fair price.....after all you said they were " junk" rifles right? You can keep the Salvage though, one holer or not (cough**cough) I have enough door stops already.
doubleA
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10-24-2003, 08:58 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
I somewhat agree.....I' ve learned that a good rifle means you got to fix some " little" things....triggers. bedding, barrel float, ...
Anyone that buys a gun today almost has to fix them before they are hunt worthy. and it takes some skills to do that.
Either step up to higher priced guns or learn to fix the common guns of today. The only reason that todays guns are so poor is that we continue to buy them.
Go figure!!
Anyone that buys a gun today almost has to fix them before they are hunt worthy. and it takes some skills to do that.
Either step up to higher priced guns or learn to fix the common guns of today. The only reason that todays guns are so poor is that we continue to buy them.
Go figure!!
10-24-2003, 09:17 PM
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RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
Well myself and the people I know must be getting all the good rifles.
I purchased 2 Ruger VT' s in .243 and .308, both shoot under .75 inch 5 shot group. Right out of the box and no alterations. My brother has a Ruger #1 in .280 and shot better than 1 inch groups, then installed a fore end accurizer, now it is under .75 inch. His 77/22 hornet is a tack driver.
My gunsmith has a Ruger Mark II .308, and a VT in .223, both shoot exceptionally well. I know Ruger gets a bad rap, but from what I have seen and experienced, there is a lot of quality. Of course all of us reload too, which helps alot.
All manufacturers will have some lemons in a production run of anything they make whether it be cars or rifles. Mass production will never be as good a custom produced good.
I purchased 2 Ruger VT' s in .243 and .308, both shoot under .75 inch 5 shot group. Right out of the box and no alterations. My brother has a Ruger #1 in .280 and shot better than 1 inch groups, then installed a fore end accurizer, now it is under .75 inch. His 77/22 hornet is a tack driver. My gunsmith has a Ruger Mark II .308, and a VT in .223, both shoot exceptionally well. I know Ruger gets a bad rap, but from what I have seen and experienced, there is a lot of quality. Of course all of us reload too, which helps alot.
All manufacturers will have some lemons in a production run of anything they make whether it be cars or rifles. Mass production will never be as good a custom produced good.
10-24-2003, 09:42 PM
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RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
Danny45
The Savage I have is a Model 12-FV chambered in .223, this rifle really will shoot one ragged hole. The problem is the overall quality of the rifle itself.
I am just tired of manufactures stamping out poor quality firearms. Just take a good look at your hunting rifle. Look at the bolt is it smoth & quiet? Look at the fit & finish of metal to wood? Does the trigger have creep right out of the box? Does the trigger have a heavy (6-8 pounds) pull weight? How about the Barrel? Does the action need to be bedded? Is the barrel free floated? Is the trigger gaurd made of plastic or pot metal?
Sorry guys every rifle I pick up Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Savage, Browning & Tikka. I have never owned a Tikka But I have handled one in the shop & shot it at the range. I was not impressed, junk with a new name. I have owned firearms from all other manufactures listed above at one time.
The one rifle that I have held & worked the action on but never fired was the Sako Deluxe. If the Sako Deluxe shoots as good as it looks it should be a good rifle.
I ordered a Cooper rifle today after I made my first post. I will have it in 13-months. I told them I am tired of the run of the mill junk. They gaurantee there rifles. I have held & worked the action on Cooper rifles The rifle will cost me $1,800 but it will be worth the wait. I am having it chambered in 6.5 x 284. This will be my deer & antelope rifle. I plan on having a second rifle built for elk & bear hunting. I am not sure of my second caliber?
I might order a 7mm x 300-Weatherby?
One thing for sure I won' t buy junk.
The Savage I have is a Model 12-FV chambered in .223, this rifle really will shoot one ragged hole. The problem is the overall quality of the rifle itself.
I am just tired of manufactures stamping out poor quality firearms. Just take a good look at your hunting rifle. Look at the bolt is it smoth & quiet? Look at the fit & finish of metal to wood? Does the trigger have creep right out of the box? Does the trigger have a heavy (6-8 pounds) pull weight? How about the Barrel? Does the action need to be bedded? Is the barrel free floated? Is the trigger gaurd made of plastic or pot metal?
Sorry guys every rifle I pick up Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Savage, Browning & Tikka. I have never owned a Tikka But I have handled one in the shop & shot it at the range. I was not impressed, junk with a new name. I have owned firearms from all other manufactures listed above at one time.
The one rifle that I have held & worked the action on but never fired was the Sako Deluxe. If the Sako Deluxe shoots as good as it looks it should be a good rifle.
I ordered a Cooper rifle today after I made my first post. I will have it in 13-months. I told them I am tired of the run of the mill junk. They gaurantee there rifles. I have held & worked the action on Cooper rifles The rifle will cost me $1,800 but it will be worth the wait. I am having it chambered in 6.5 x 284. This will be my deer & antelope rifle. I plan on having a second rifle built for elk & bear hunting. I am not sure of my second caliber?
I might order a 7mm x 300-Weatherby?
One thing for sure I won' t buy junk.
