RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

sounds like there is nothing wrong with the rifle at all, it does what it is supposed to do. I don' t think there is anything wrong with the guns, just with the owner. Sounds more like you want a gun that will impress other people when you show it off than a gun that simply does what it is supposed to do.

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

I agree with you, when you pay 5 or 600 dollars for a darn rifle, it ought to work right, be pretty, drive nails, and have a good trigger. I wish the people that make honda atv' s made rifles. That would be a fine piece of shootery.
I got a ruger mk II 7mm mag and it took me 3 years and $250 more dollars to get it accurate.

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

Briman
I want to buy a gun that I can mount & bore sight a scope, clean it & take it to the range.

I do not want to buy a rifle that needs to be left at the gunsmiths shop. I give a gunsmith a list to do. Trigger job, bed the action, free float the barrel. I even bought one new rifle that had a bad safety. The gun would not fire straight from the factory. The gunsmith had fixed that also.
I almost forgot I bought a Weatherby that would not fire everytime due to the firing pin being a hair too short. I sent it back to weatherby they told me what the problem was & they fixed it. I got my rifle back 12-weeks later.[:@]
When I buy a new rifle it is a investment. I think the manufactures are building as cheap of firearms as the market will allow them to sell.
It' s kind of like buying a new truck only to find that the tire they put on it are crap that won' t last 10,000-miles.

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

I' m sorry, but how many guns have you bought? All of a sudden, you have like 50 faulty guns - ones that won' t fire, ones with faulty safeties... in all my experience with rifles - mine, my family' s, my friends' - I' ve never seen a new rifle that was actually faulty in any way.

And if you think a Tikka is crap... I just don' t know what to say to that. Did you work the action? Seriously.

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

I guess all my rifles from the manufactures you listed were flukes from the factory.All of them shoot well under 2 inch groups and some shoot 1 inch groups. I have friend who bought a Tikka and had to do a little work to make it shoot better. All factory rifles need a little work, if they didn' t and you could just take them out and shoot 1/2 inch groups. You' d be complaining that they were to expensive.
Why do most Police sniper and Military sniper rifles use Winchester model 70 or Remington model 700 actions if they are " junk" ?

Besides doing a little of your own customizing is part of the fun of breaking in a new rifle.

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

Wolf Killer,

You sound I a person who complains about everything, wether the problem is real or not.

The majority of todays mass produced rifles are of a high quality for the money. The heavy triggers on todays rifles are do to the legal system not the manufacturer. Glass bedding is nice but adds an extra cost that, like it or not, don' t want to pay.

When you buy a custom rifle you' ll have new complaints. The rifle wasn' t delivered on time, trigger is 1/10th oz heavier than I wanted, the chamber was very tight(especially on wildcats), the action isn' t as smooth as I think it should be, and the list continues. Oh, Kenny Jarret builds his famous rifles on the 700 action, just something to think about.

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

Wolf Killer
I can somewhat understand your frustration because I' ve been there. In a perfect world all rifles would be flawless tack drivers out of the box and at one time that was my expectation. I learned long ago the world is not perfect and also now accept that our Winrugrems are not " customs" individually built and fitted by hand by caring gunsmiths - if they were we would not be able to afford them. In spite of the likelyhood of a new Winrugrem needing a few touch-ups I think the quality is pretty darn good and I am now very satisfied with my Rugers and Winchesters. Few of us would expect a brand new domestically built automobile to be that perfect - a few adjustments or minor fixes on the first check-up is pretty well the norm. Want to avoid this buy a Mercedes or BMW (read Sako or Kimber) but even then there' s no guarantee.

One problem with customs - they usually only have high value to the individual having them originally built. Personally I don' t hardly bother to give a used " custom" a second glance at a gun show but a pre-64 70 now that' s another story.

Good luck with your custom and hope you find rifle bliss and happiness with it. gg.

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

While I don' t think firearms made today are " junk" , I do think cost-cutting measures are taken to turn them out en-MASS. Some years ago (circa 1994), I had bought a new Browning A-Bolt II Stainless Stalker. Since I didn' t have the money for a new Leupold at the time, the gun sat in a closet in the box waiting for a scope. While perusing rec.guns two months later, I noticed that there was a recall for that exact gun I bought. I notified Browning I had one of the defective guns and they sent me a shipping kit to send it to the factory. The gun was defective in that it would fire when dis-engaging the safety due to incorrect temper of the steel. Rather than ship it back to the factory, I took it back where I bought it and got my money back....I never would trust that gun, even if it was " fixed" . I instead bought a Winchester Model 70 Classic Stainless. Moral of the story is that things will go wrong from time-to-time. If you want attention to detail on every part of the gun and hand fitted parts, get ready to pay $2000+. We are a throw away society...

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

For someone so knowledgeable, I' d think you might have heard of A TRIGGER JOB.

But hey, if you' re to the point where you are really PO' d with all of the " junk" , it' s your $$$ so spend it how you want. Only the buyer can justify the peceived value in their purchase.

Uncle Matt (in IL)

RE: Poor quality firearms straight from the factory.
 

I agree with the guys who say Tikka, Sako, or Browning.