AR-15 for Whitetail, 5.56 muzzle energy ~= 30-30
11-25-2013, 07:40 AM
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Spike
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the 223/5.56 with a good bullet will kill deer, question is can you find them once they are dead, and its not that easy trust me, chrony any 5.56 load and show me its 28% faster than a 223 or even has 28% more energy, shot in the proper firearms it may be 28% higher in pressure but they are much closer than you think.
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11-25-2013, 12:00 PM
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Yet another illustration of the difference between assumptions based on numbers on a page as opposed to experiencing things in the field for yourself. Hunt with a 22 centerfire long enough and it will teach you 2 things:
1) A 22caliber centerfire can easily kill a deer.
2) A 22 caliber centerfire is not a good choice for deer.
I CAN drive a nail with a wrench, but that doesn't make it a hammer.
1) A 22caliber centerfire can easily kill a deer.
2) A 22 caliber centerfire is not a good choice for deer.
I CAN drive a nail with a wrench, but that doesn't make it a hammer.
11-26-2013, 08:56 AM
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I'm a Chem E, had a physics minor among other things. Done a lot of shooting/hunting in my life, a bit of ballistic product engineering & development in the past (some private/commercial, some military), and a lot of mathematical/physical analysis and modeling of ballistics. If you ever want to nerd-rap about all things ballistic, hit me up.
11-26-2013, 11:40 AM
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Spike
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I'm a Chem E, had a physics minor among other things. Done a lot of shooting/hunting in my life, a bit of ballistic product engineering & development in the past (some private/commercial, some military), and a lot of mathematical/physical analysis and modeling of ballistics. If you ever want to nerd-rap about all things ballistic, hit me up.
In the meantime I've been limiting my investigation to factory ammunition (mostly for my .308 Weatherby Vanguard Series II) and looking at ballistics caluclators to see where I wanted to sight in my rifle. I ended up choosing a 24 yd zero. This provides for a 2nd zero at about 225 yds and a point blank (+/- 3") range of 0 to about 275 yds. In my limited experience in GA, there arn't any shots longer than that hehe.
I haven't messed with crosswind and any handloading. My scope is a Nikon ProStaff 3-9x40 and it doesn't have on-the-fly adjustable turrets so I havn't planned on doing anything but a manual holdover for estimated range.
Weatherby guarentees sub-MOA @ 100 yds with "premium factory ammunition" such as the Federal Power-Shok 150 grain Soft Point(308A) I chose (not too expensive, recommended by Weatherby).
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11-26-2013, 02:08 PM
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Keep in mind that it's not universal either. Sighting in this winter at 24yrds might mean you're zeroed at 225yrds for now, then end up being 5" higher come summer time. Zeroing on the delta in Louisiana then hunting elk in Colorado high country might mean you miss by 8".
As they say in engineering school (used to at least), "garbage in, garbage out". If the conditions you feed the calculator don't match your actual conditions, no matter how good the math is, you're not going to hit what you're aiming at.
