good by Remington
02-20-2011, 09:31 AM
#81
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Allenton Wis.
Posts: 186
Thanks common sense. I thought I got ripped a little over my experience about my remington rusting. Yes it was a bead blast finish that rusted almost over night. Next question is what does a guy do when he is hunting all day in drizzle or snow? Wipe it down every 2 hours on the stand? I know bead blast is cheaper but I never saw a gun rust like that and I've owned lots of Rems. It was my favorite gun since I could buy guns. I got accused of neglect a few pages back. Oh well, maybe some of your guns are gun cabinet queens, mine are not. They get beat up real nice and work for me or I get rid of them. They have to make a gun that doesn't rust in a day and a half. Period.
Last edited by ihookem1; 02-20-2011 at 09:35 AM.
02-20-2011, 01:53 PM
#82
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,679
Thanks common sense. I thought I got ripped a little over my experience about my remington rusting. Yes it was a bead blast finish that rusted almost over night.
I got accused of neglect a few pages back.
I got accused of neglect a few pages back.
Next question is what does a guy do when he is hunting all day in drizzle or snow? Wipe it down every 2 hours on the stand?
I know bead blast is cheaper but I never saw a gun rust like that and I've owned lots of Rems.
They have to make a gun that doesn't rust in a day and a half. Period.
02-20-2011, 04:58 PM
#83
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Allenton Wis.
Posts: 186
I don't think they oiled it at the factory. If they did I don't think I would have had that much rust. I have an adl almost like it and it doesn't rust. Oh well the sps 700 youth carries very well.
02-20-2011, 05:16 PM
#84
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,081
I have two SPS's, and I have never seen any rust on either one, I have hunted in the poreing rain for weeks at a time without wipeing them down for days after. Matter of fact I used my 243 last deer season in the snow and rain and I have yet to clean it, it shows absolutly no signs of rust, it looks as good as the day I bought it.
02-20-2011, 06:06 PM
#85
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 71
Shame on you zrex, now all of the Remchester fanboys will come out of the woodwork to proclaim how awesome their super whiz bang Model 700 ABCD is, and how their quality isn't declining, oh well, when that's all you have experience with, and don't know any better......
i agree. i have a cousin who swears by remingtons... and he's never owned anything but remington 700's.
i've owned weatherby VG, remington 710, and winchester model 70's. alomost completely needless to say that winchester has been far and away the best of those. the vanguard is a pretty decent gun though. i spent $268.99 on it in 30-06 after my employee discount at the time. still one of the best purchases ever. i would like to say, that maybe it's not the gun, but the quality of the optics some of these base models come with. bushnell...? really? not that bushy's can't kill some deer, but they sure aren't nikon or leupold or swaravski.
02-20-2011, 06:50 PM
#86
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,081
I'm not a fantatic "backer" of any brand rifle. I just bought a 700 SPS Buckmasters because I loved the camo stock and the all black action. It's smooth as silk, the trigger is the best of all the rifles I tried in the store and it's a very pretty gun. the bore is glass smooth. I checked it against all the other rifles; Tikka T3 (looked cheap), TC Venture and Icon (almost bought one of these), Weatherby Vanguard (horrible, gritty trigger), Browning X-Bolt and A-bolt, Winchester 70 (better then the pre-64's now), Sako A7 (black bolt shroud on a stainless bolt?) and the cheap Marlin and Mossberg bolts. Midwest Shooters Supply (Lomira, Wis) didn't have any Savages but I really don't like the looks of them anyway. I wanted to look at CZ's but none there either. The Remington 700 just stood out as more pleasing to my eye and the price was right (with the rebate) so I bought it. I just got the scope on it so will be shooting it soon and will report on results. I spend alot of time at the range and am an above average shot.
And poorer quality? Get used to it because everything you buy is not going to be like it was 20 years ago, cars, clothes, houses and food. The euro rifles are not going to still make them like the "old world" anymore either. Check out the new Sako 85's compared to the Finnbear. Not even close.
And poorer quality? Get used to it because everything you buy is not going to be like it was 20 years ago, cars, clothes, houses and food. The euro rifles are not going to still make them like the "old world" anymore either. Check out the new Sako 85's compared to the Finnbear. Not even close.
02-22-2011, 09:14 AM
#87
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location:
Posts: 1,832
Yep, no question quality has gone down hill on alot of manufacturing companies in the last 20yrs.However, when a Company allegedlly knows it producing and shipping faulty products and continue to do so to the public that is different. I'm not saying Remington is outright guilty of killing or injuring people or putting put a faulty product. But I am saying there must have been enough evidence against Remington for them to settle out of court in alot of court cases. Way to many settlements, for me to even consider purchasing a Factory Remington Rifle in s model 700. That being said the model 700 is a fine action rifle, and made under the right hands. I would have no problem having a Rem 700 made by a competant gunsmith.
Last edited by Jeff Ovington; 02-22-2011 at 05:14 PM.
02-22-2011, 01:06 PM
#88
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: N/W WI.
Posts: 814
Remington WAS a great gun years ago, however they have gone down the road to ruine by making their product cheap and lack of customer service. Quality is not there anymore. My opinion!!!
02-22-2011, 06:08 PM
#89
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Allenton Wis.
Posts: 186
I don't think Savage has gone down hill. Some are getting better and more accurate. Automation can be a good thing. Cars are better too but only through technology.
02-22-2011, 06:35 PM
#90
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,081
When you can take a new car and push a dent in it with your finger, versus a older vehicle that takes a hit from a ball bat to dent it, i would call that a decline in quality. I have a 2008 Jeep wrangler with less than 40000 miles on it, it has went through two water pumps, had to have a new tranny cooler instaled and just had a recall on the fender liners falling down and rubbing holes in the brake lines, I call that a decline in quality. I have a 2009 Cadilac STS with less than 15000 miles on it, the drivers side power window just quit working, cost $278 for parts, I call this a decline in Quality. Not to mention all the recalls on the new Toyotas, My 2009 Yamaha Grizzley had a recall on the steering brackets, I call tha a decline in quality. As I said poor workmanship seems to be a pretty common thing in anything produced in the lasst 20 years. Savages are no exception, just give them about two years, now that they have a reputation, you will see a decline in quality also.