When pigs fly. No way you will get close to 2400 fps out of a 20" barrel. Furthermore the bullet has the ballistic coefficient of a brick. Sighted at 100 yards you are still dropping 8" at 200. You can' t polish a turd.

I found this article on the web. I personally would not sight in my Marlin to be a 200 yard gun like this article mentions, but it is interesting anyway.
I know my shots are going to be a lot closer than even 125 yards (last years two were under 20 yards), and I like my gun sighted in so I hit the hair I am aiming at on the side of the deer.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/30-30Win.htm

C. Davis

frizzler' s entire social agenda revolves around disputing posts that members enter on this forum....what a boring, worthless way to spend a day!

i think you need a hobby.

for the past 2 1/2 years you' ve done nothing but argue against most of my postings, as well as many other members, often with vulgar quotes that do nothing but show ignorance (i.e....." you can' t polish a turd" , or whatever you wrote in response to my last posting)

you actually do get 2,405 fps from winchester' s 150 gr. .30-30 power point load, according to guns magazine (august 2001, hunting with the .30-30 today). i see no reason as to why a major magazine would fabricate information, other than to upset people like you, and even then, i' m sure they are too busy for such petty offenses.

and bye the way frizzy, it is only 3.5" low at 200 yds, not 8" .

i think you need to come to terms with the fact that:
1) the .30-30 is an excellent deer rifle out to 200 yds with modern ammo and scopes
2)and more importantly that you need to smile from time to time, and quit trying to prove people wrong...you are just a regular member, not a district attorney. we don' t always need to defend ourselves to you

oh, and FYI mr. district attorney frizzy: more often than not, your arguments are based on pure speculation/opinion and not fact, and therefore have no merit at all.

I think the 30-30 gets a bad rap because there is so many old worn out 30-30' s that it gives the whole caliber a bad name. I don' t know anybody that has bought a new 30-30 in the last 20 years, and everyone has an old worn out 30-30.
Just my 2 cents.

Alright, enough of this beating around the bush! This " conversation" is getting no where. Lets discuss a topic that will really get somewhere like the .223 for deer, or the 30-30 for elk! Or how about, what' s the best all around rifle for big game?

Seriously, I think we can all agree that any legal deer hunting rifle will work for deer as long as the person using it knows it' s (and his) limitations and the rest is all personal preference. I mean, the 30-30 will kill deer (I know I' ve done it) so it' s got a short range and fairly low on power compaied to most deer rifles, so what? It' ll still work just fine inside 100 yards on any deer you put in front of it.

Now the fact that there are other, better (and probably cheaper) choices available is irrelevent to the fact that the 30-30 (and all other legal deer rifles) will work inside it' s limitations.

Footballplaya, if you like the idea of the 30-30ish rifles, may I suggest the 35 remington? It' s got a better reputation.

ths78, I have a hobby. I study ballistics. You should look into it sometime and you will find it impossible to sight in a low ballistic coefficient bullet travelling at 2300 (which is what you will get, if that, out of a 20" barrel) at 100 yards and have it be 3.5" at 200. Its called physics. Do the math.

The 30/30 Model 94 was my first hunting rifle and of course at the time everyone said it was the end all of rifles. I then bought a 25-06 my next season and progressed steadily upward and never looked back. The 30/30 is way too specialized for todays deer hunting...it is at best a 75-100 yard deer rifle in thick and semi-open woods and that is it. Exceed that range and there many more flexible choices to use . What do you do if you have to sit on a clearing or happen to see a nice buck grazing at the edge of a field 200 yards away? I am guessing most that took this ill advised shot used Kentucky windage and wounded deer. It has its place but I wish the 35 Remington had been better promoted because it is heads and tails better at the same effective range as a 30/30.

Then you don' t take the shot because you know you' re gun' s limitations.

Not ragging on you oldelkhunter, you even said it was an " ill advised shot" just using this quote as an example.

You have other options in this situation. You can try to get closer, or hope the deer gets closer to you, or try it again the next day and sit on the other end of the field. What if you see a good buck feeding 600 yards away and all you have is your old 30-06? It' s the same as seeing a buck at 200 yards with a 30-30. It' s out of range and a good hunter should accept that and not try to make the shot.

If you don' t have that amount of self controll, then you have no buisness hunting. Does that mean everyone will pass on that 200 yard shot with the 30-30? Nope, but it' s not the gun' s fault for that wounded/missed deer.

Excuse me Mr. Kodiakhuntmaster....I wouldn' t take the shot and I wouldn' t sit at a clearing with a gun that is not capable of making the shot... Most Yahoos would take the shot and as a result have a wounded deer on their hands. Please read my posts.....

BTW how many chances do you get at a really good buck...day after day I think not. YOu have to strike when the iron is hot. You have to accept the cartridge for what it is. A very limited deer cartridge.