30-30 for deer
08-05-2003 | 11:22 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Tahlequah, Oklahoma
RE: 30-30 for deer
I HAVE A WINCHESTER MODLE 94 AE BLACKSHADOW W/ A 24INCH BARREL I HAVE SHOT DEER OUT TO 250YARDS AND BLEW UP A WOODCHUCK AT 300 YRADS. I AM 21 AND I' VE BEEN USING A 30-30 SINCE I STARTED DEER HUNTING 8 YEARS AGO, THE 30-30 IS THE ONLY DEER GUN FOR ME ALL THOSE 30-06,270,7MM R NOTHING BUT THUNDER MAKERS IN THE DEER WOODS.
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08-05-2003 | 03:28 PM
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From: Pulaskiville
RE: 30-30 for deer
I like the 30-30 for certain situations...and for certain people. HOWEVER, I got into an argument on this board with a moron a couple years ago that said he shot a RUNNING deer with a 30-30 at a distance like 250 yds.
I did the math and he would have had to have lead that deer by something like 15ft......and would have to have aimed like 2 feet high.
That is why I DO NOT argue calibers much anymore. It' s too embarrassing making people look like idiots. I' m a math teacher...and math doesn' t lie.
The 30-30 is a fine 100yd gun....maybe a touch further
I did the math and he would have had to have lead that deer by something like 15ft......and would have to have aimed like 2 feet high.
That is why I DO NOT argue calibers much anymore. It' s too embarrassing making people look like idiots. I' m a math teacher...and math doesn' t lie.
The 30-30 is a fine 100yd gun....maybe a touch further
08-05-2003 | 05:24 PM
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RE: 30-30 for deer
THE .30-30 IS A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE 200-YARD, LIGHT BIG-GAME CARTRIDGE WHEN USED IN A SCOPE-SIGHTED RIFLE. IT' S AN OFTEN REPEATED FACT, BUT MORE BIG GAME IS SHOT UNDER 200 YDS. THAN OVER. WE' VE KNOWN THE .30-30 TO PERFORM WELL ON DEER, BLACK BEAR, ANTELOPE, ELK, AND MOOSE, AND YOU CAN' T ASK FOR MUCH MORE THAN THAT FROM ANY CARTRIDGE.
.30-30 AMMUNITION HAS VASTLY IMPROVED OVER THE PAST 100 YRS. CONVENTIONAL LOADS MAY HAVE THROWN A 160 GR. SOFT POINT AT 1970 FPS, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT WINCHESTER' S NEW 150 GR. POWER POINT, WHICH LAUNCHES LEAD AT A HIGHLY INCREASED 2,405 FPS. WHEN ZEROED AT 100 YDS, THIS BULLET IS ONLY 3.5" LOW AT 200, DEFINITELY FLAT ENOUGH FOR DEER. FURTHERMORE, IT STILL YEILDS ABOUT 1,000 FT. LBS. OF ENERGY AT THIS DISTANCE. ADDITIONALLY, PMC OFFERS A WICKED 150 GR. STARFIRE HOLLOW POINT, WHICH ACHIEVES 2,308 FPS, AND FEDERAL A 170 GR. NOSLER PARTITION AT 2,175 FPS. THESE DEFINITELY MAKE THE .30-30 A HIGH POWER RIFLE. -- THESE VELOCITIES ARE FROM A 24" BARREL, BUT LOSE VERY LITTLE STEAM WHEN COMPARED TO A 20" BARREL.
MY .30-30 IS MY FAVORITE DEER/BLACK BEAR RIFLE. SURE I HAVE OTHERS THAT FILL THE TAB NICELY (7MAG, 30-06, 45-70, ETC.), BUT THEIR EXTRA NOISE/RECOIL/MUZZLE FLASH/WEIGHT ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR DEER HUNTING.
.30-30 AMMUNITION HAS VASTLY IMPROVED OVER THE PAST 100 YRS. CONVENTIONAL LOADS MAY HAVE THROWN A 160 GR. SOFT POINT AT 1970 FPS, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT WINCHESTER' S NEW 150 GR. POWER POINT, WHICH LAUNCHES LEAD AT A HIGHLY INCREASED 2,405 FPS. WHEN ZEROED AT 100 YDS, THIS BULLET IS ONLY 3.5" LOW AT 200, DEFINITELY FLAT ENOUGH FOR DEER. FURTHERMORE, IT STILL YEILDS ABOUT 1,000 FT. LBS. OF ENERGY AT THIS DISTANCE. ADDITIONALLY, PMC OFFERS A WICKED 150 GR. STARFIRE HOLLOW POINT, WHICH ACHIEVES 2,308 FPS, AND FEDERAL A 170 GR. NOSLER PARTITION AT 2,175 FPS. THESE DEFINITELY MAKE THE .30-30 A HIGH POWER RIFLE. -- THESE VELOCITIES ARE FROM A 24" BARREL, BUT LOSE VERY LITTLE STEAM WHEN COMPARED TO A 20" BARREL.
MY .30-30 IS MY FAVORITE DEER/BLACK BEAR RIFLE. SURE I HAVE OTHERS THAT FILL THE TAB NICELY (7MAG, 30-06, 45-70, ETC.), BUT THEIR EXTRA NOISE/RECOIL/MUZZLE FLASH/WEIGHT ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR DEER HUNTING.
08-05-2003 | 08:03 PM
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From: Gleason, TN
RE: 30-30 for deer
Oh no! another argument about the old 30-30? Honestly where is this going? (the same place all the last ones went). It' s getting good though anyway.
I think elkamp knows my opinion of the 30-30. I have used my old 30-30 everywhere from south Georgia bean fields to North Carolina pinewoods and even up to Ohio for a while. I' ve used it to hunt deer and hogs. I knew my range and limitations and it did fine. Never had a deer do anything more than drop when I shot it with that gun. My choice of the gun was mainly due to that being the only rifle I had. Then I sold it to get a 30-06. The NEF handi rifle is cheaper than a marlin 30-30 and obviously has more options than the marlin does.
I wouldn' t use the 30-30 on anything bigger than deer sized game. But that is irrelevent to this conversation.
Bottom line is it works if kept inside it' s limitiations and works pretty fair too. If a guy doesn' t know what the limitations are on his gun or shooting ability he has no buisness hunting, Period. Guy' s shoot poorly with other guns too, it' s not the guns fault.
{conclusion} Different things for different folks. To use the " tool" analogy, just another tool for the box. I have tools I don' t use unless I just feel like it, but I still have and use those tools once in a while. Doesn' t make them a bad tool, just one that has been replaced with more effecient tools.
Just as a side note, as much as I " like" the 30-30, I know that if Marlin made a 30-06 with the same price as thier 30-30, they would sell like hot cakes and make the 30-30 all but extinct.
And oops, I forgot what the original question was for a while. Football, if you want to use a 30-30, it will work but know your limitations. There are better options available, but know your limitations.
NEF makes a good gun. I bought my last one (30-06) at wallyworld for right at 200.00 dollars. Good luck.
I think elkamp knows my opinion of the 30-30. I have used my old 30-30 everywhere from south Georgia bean fields to North Carolina pinewoods and even up to Ohio for a while. I' ve used it to hunt deer and hogs. I knew my range and limitations and it did fine. Never had a deer do anything more than drop when I shot it with that gun. My choice of the gun was mainly due to that being the only rifle I had. Then I sold it to get a 30-06. The NEF handi rifle is cheaper than a marlin 30-30 and obviously has more options than the marlin does.
I wouldn' t use the 30-30 on anything bigger than deer sized game. But that is irrelevent to this conversation.
Bottom line is it works if kept inside it' s limitiations and works pretty fair too. If a guy doesn' t know what the limitations are on his gun or shooting ability he has no buisness hunting, Period. Guy' s shoot poorly with other guns too, it' s not the guns fault.
{conclusion} Different things for different folks. To use the " tool" analogy, just another tool for the box. I have tools I don' t use unless I just feel like it, but I still have and use those tools once in a while. Doesn' t make them a bad tool, just one that has been replaced with more effecient tools.
Just as a side note, as much as I " like" the 30-30, I know that if Marlin made a 30-06 with the same price as thier 30-30, they would sell like hot cakes and make the 30-30 all but extinct.
And oops, I forgot what the original question was for a while. Football, if you want to use a 30-30, it will work but know your limitations. There are better options available, but know your limitations.
NEF makes a good gun. I bought my last one (30-06) at wallyworld for right at 200.00 dollars. Good luck.
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08-05-2003 | 08:46 PM
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From: Rocky Mountains, Colorado
RE: 30-30 for deer
Ballistically, I am thoroughly underwhelmed.
However, given such favorable characteristics and powerful pedigree as outlined above, I' m surprised it didn' t make the " cut" for your " Minimum Battery For North America:
Never Go Undergunned,
EKM
However, given such favorable characteristics and powerful pedigree as outlined above, I' m surprised it didn' t make the " cut" for your " Minimum Battery For North America:
357mag/38 spcl. with 18 1/2" barrel--small game up to deer
44mag/44 spcl. with 16" barrel--hot loaded will handle game in NA, 44 special loads are great for small game and plinking...this would be my lightweight, short, compact, carry-all-day rifle
30-06 with 26" barrel--would be my tree stand, long range rifle (as far as I should ever shoot at game)
45-70--great from deer to brown bear
44mag/44 spcl. with 16" barrel--hot loaded will handle game in NA, 44 special loads are great for small game and plinking...this would be my lightweight, short, compact, carry-all-day rifle
30-06 with 26" barrel--would be my tree stand, long range rifle (as far as I should ever shoot at game)
45-70--great from deer to brown bear
EKM
08-05-2003 | 09:10 PM
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From: Gleason, TN
08-06-2003 | 12:21 AM
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From: Gleason, TN
RE: 30-30 for deer
Elkampmaster,
Thanks for asking, I' m suprized you remembered! But no, I leave for basic September 2nd (just a few weeks away
). I signed up last year under delayed enlistment, I wanted to work one last season at my job here before I went in. I' m excited about going, the only bad thing is I' ll miss hunting season this year.
Thanks for asking, I' m suprized you remembered! But no, I leave for basic September 2nd (just a few weeks away
). I signed up last year under delayed enlistment, I wanted to work one last season at my job here before I went in. I' m excited about going, the only bad thing is I' ll miss hunting season this year.