Are all Rem 700's created equal?
02-06-2010 | 09:26 AM
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The stainless/fluted CDL isn't a bad way to fly,if you aren't fighting weight constraints. Have seen them in both walnut and laminate and again if weight isn't a focus,laminate's inherent stability(ability to fend moisture induced POI woes),is a very good thing.
For tasks you cite,I'd prefer a Poor Man's faux Ti and dump a S/S MR barreled action into a Ti takeoff handle. Much rifle,for modest loot,replete with splendid balance and handling characteristics.
Lots of ways to skin this cat,but injection is to be avoided at all costs.
For tasks you cite,I'd prefer a Poor Man's faux Ti and dump a S/S MR barreled action into a Ti takeoff handle. Much rifle,for modest loot,replete with splendid balance and handling characteristics.
Lots of ways to skin this cat,but injection is to be avoided at all costs.
02-06-2010 | 09:39 AM
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The Ti is now a 2nd Generation and pales to the initial offering,beings they added barrel contour and ruined balance/handling. B&C makes that handle and OEM takeoffs are easily scored,for 150 clams or so.
Hogues are junk on a centerfire,but a guy can argue their .920" 10/22 handle for cold weather pursuits,of the utilitarian nature. I've a few.
The XCR is injection garbage,so simply focus on the barreled action and plan on dumping same into a sound handle,for longterm happiness. A 22" S/S 7-08 700 in a Ti takeoff will do it all and easily.
If you've the Whizzum itch,scratch it with a Kimber Montana and in 7mm.
Hogues are junk on a centerfire,but a guy can argue their .920" 10/22 handle for cold weather pursuits,of the utilitarian nature. I've a few.
The XCR is injection garbage,so simply focus on the barreled action and plan on dumping same into a sound handle,for longterm happiness. A 22" S/S 7-08 700 in a Ti takeoff will do it all and easily.
If you've the Whizzum itch,scratch it with a Kimber Montana and in 7mm.
No experience with Kimbers...the posts here are a bit interesting though. I heard they had feeding problems with short mags, but since I'm not really looking at a short mag it wont be a problem.
02-06-2010 | 10:10 AM
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I prefer the 280 in the S/S MR 22" offering,but they are getting hard to find. The CDL 280 punched 280AI would be a dandy and I couldn't resist that option.
As far as 284's go,I prefer the 7-08 to the 280 and 7Remmie,due solely to what's possible in regards to weight/balance and handling...though I've splendid 700 based rifles in all of those chamberings,as well as 284Win,7-08AI,280AI,7SAUM & 7WSM and am fairly well 7mm smitten on the average.
I've shot a good gaggle of Montanas and think very highly of them on the average. While I prefer a 1st Generation Ti in the .473" boltface,the Montana .532's are simply wonderous in all regards. Have yet to see a single issue and we shoot them hard.
Their 1-9" 223 Montana is a wicked bastard to,after punching to 223AI and lengthening COAL magbox confines to make the 75A-Max sing.
The Montana 7WSM is easily the best killing rifle ever offered over the counter.
As far as 284's go,I prefer the 7-08 to the 280 and 7Remmie,due solely to what's possible in regards to weight/balance and handling...though I've splendid 700 based rifles in all of those chamberings,as well as 284Win,7-08AI,280AI,7SAUM & 7WSM and am fairly well 7mm smitten on the average.
I've shot a good gaggle of Montanas and think very highly of them on the average. While I prefer a 1st Generation Ti in the .473" boltface,the Montana .532's are simply wonderous in all regards. Have yet to see a single issue and we shoot them hard.
Their 1-9" 223 Montana is a wicked bastard to,after punching to 223AI and lengthening COAL magbox confines to make the 75A-Max sing.
The Montana 7WSM is easily the best killing rifle ever offered over the counter.
02-06-2010 | 10:29 AM
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Weight reduces recoil and if that extra mass doesn't spoil your party,you are well on your way to happiness. I'm a fan of a 22" spout on a 7-08 and love 20's as well,the velocity tradeoffs are moot in a practical sense,but I've long had 7-08's running the gamut from 14" XP to various 26-inchers. 22" is my favorite,for sure and contour means nothing. My Ti 7-08 will running happily alongside my #6 Lilja 22",to 1K and beyond.
Remmie has always throated their 7-08's well and reloading will open avenues of opportunity,that you'd have to see to believe.
Remmie has always throated their 7-08's well and reloading will open avenues of opportunity,that you'd have to see to believe.
02-06-2010 | 10:44 AM
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The stainless cdl is the one w/ the woodstock I believe, makes little sense to me IMO, if you want a weather resistant rifle, go w/ the sps stainless , its the same gun w/ and injection molded syn stock, I had one in 7mag but sold it to but my 700 mtlss. The sps was pretty nice for the price, I actually liked the stock and finish (matte SS and jeweled bolt) on it, nice factory limbsaver recoil pad too. I wasnt too crazy about the Xpro trigger, and i found it a bit heavier than I like, but I found the quality very adequate, the only 700 I think is a little cheap looking is the all black sps and older adls.The new green stock triangle varmint guns look a little tacky to me too but, The SPS SS, the standard CDL, the BDL, and the MTlss are fine looking, fine quality, factory rifles IMO.
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02-06-2010 | 12:02 PM
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The stainless cdl is the one w/ the woodstock I believe, makes little sense to me IMO, if you want a weather resistant rifle, go w/ the sps stainless , its the same gun w/ and injection molded syn stock, I had one in 7mag but sold it to but my 700 mtlss. The sps was pretty nice for the price, I actually liked the stock and finish (matte SS and jeweled bolt) on it, nice factory limbsaver recoil pad too. I wasnt too crazy about the Xpro trigger, and i found it a bit heavier than I like, but I found the quality very adequate, the only 700 I think is a little cheap looking is the all black sps and older adls.The new green stock triangle varmint guns look a little tacky to me too but, The SPS SS, the standard CDL, the BDL, and the MTlss are fine looking, fine quality, factory rifles IMO.
02-06-2010 | 11:27 PM
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didnt read the post...
but from my experience, the difference in m700 prices is stocks, and that sorta thing...
i bought a 700sps varmint the year they came out(think it was the first year)
its their lowest grade 700 if im not mistaken...
stock is CHEAP...but, the trigger is the same...but, its a m700 action! and ive fired multiple 5 shot sub-moa groups at 100yds...i might get called a liar...but rifle was stock and shooting the cheapest UMC value pack 22-250 ammo...
call me a liar...i too was in shock when i printed the first target...i had to sit at the range and do it a couple more times...and i did...
id like to take credit as the guy behind the trigger, but without a gun that can do it, the shooter cant achieve it...
i know alot of other guys on forums with the sps varmint and we all agree, shes a shooter right out of the box...i havent heard one complaint yet...
cant wait to swap the cheesy stock and float the barrel and have the trigger done..and work up some hand loads...excited to see what she can do then...im expecting 1 ragged hole...likely wont stop working on loads till i can do it...
so my thoughts are, a m700 is a m700 action...and when i swap the stock, it'll be hard to tell its the SPS other than the magazine floor plate drops instead of a detachable mag...but, its my varmint rifle...i could care less how it loads or unloads...big game rifle, i prefer a DM as im usually doing drives and in and out of the truck once every hour or 2 loading and unloading...just more convinent to drop a mag and work the action back and be unloaded...
but from my experience, the difference in m700 prices is stocks, and that sorta thing...
i bought a 700sps varmint the year they came out(think it was the first year)
its their lowest grade 700 if im not mistaken...
stock is CHEAP...but, the trigger is the same...but, its a m700 action! and ive fired multiple 5 shot sub-moa groups at 100yds...i might get called a liar...but rifle was stock and shooting the cheapest UMC value pack 22-250 ammo...
call me a liar...i too was in shock when i printed the first target...i had to sit at the range and do it a couple more times...and i did...
id like to take credit as the guy behind the trigger, but without a gun that can do it, the shooter cant achieve it...
i know alot of other guys on forums with the sps varmint and we all agree, shes a shooter right out of the box...i havent heard one complaint yet...
cant wait to swap the cheesy stock and float the barrel and have the trigger done..and work up some hand loads...excited to see what she can do then...im expecting 1 ragged hole...likely wont stop working on loads till i can do it...
so my thoughts are, a m700 is a m700 action...and when i swap the stock, it'll be hard to tell its the SPS other than the magazine floor plate drops instead of a detachable mag...but, its my varmint rifle...i could care less how it loads or unloads...big game rifle, i prefer a DM as im usually doing drives and in and out of the truck once every hour or 2 loading and unloading...just more convinent to drop a mag and work the action back and be unloaded...