Minimum Energy for whitetails...
07-24-2009, 01:22 PM
#22
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 2,414
Not sure i understand the whole kenetic energy minimum deal.
The original poster asked what the minimum was. I see several replies with 1000 as being the stated number and some use that number as a guide.
Why? can some one tell me why 1000 is the number and not 800 or 1200 or 500 etc.
The original poster asked what the minimum was. I see several replies with 1000 as being the stated number and some use that number as a guide.
Why? can some one tell me why 1000 is the number and not 800 or 1200 or 500 etc.
07-24-2009, 01:41 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,695
Not sure i understand the whole kenetic energy minimum deal.
The original poster asked what the minimum was. I see several replies with 1000 as being the stated number and some use that number as a guide.
Why? can some one tell me why 1000 is the number and not 800 or 1200 or 500 etc.
The original poster asked what the minimum was. I see several replies with 1000 as being the stated number and some use that number as a guide.
Why? can some one tell me why 1000 is the number and not 800 or 1200 or 500 etc.
Some people refuse to understand that energy has no bearing on killing. Ive killed deer with a .22 having around a 100 ft lbs of energy, bows have around 45 to 70 lbs of energy.
Its the hole you put in a deer that kills.
I dropped a few deer in there tracks with a .22 mag with vital shots to the body and a .22 mag has very little energy.
My .22 hornet has put quite a few hogs and deer on the ground as well.
07-25-2009, 10:57 AM
#24
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Colorado
Posts: 411
If hunting in Colorado and maintaining possession of your rifle, pickup and other gear is a goal of yours, I'd suggest keeping with the 1,000 ft/lbs at 100 yards. Otherwise, you are a POACHER.
a.
1. CENTERFIRE RIFLES
a.
Must be min. .24 caliber (6 mm).
b.
Must have min. a 16-inch barrel and be at least 26 inches long.
c.
If semiautomatic, they can hold max. of 6 rounds in the magazine and
chamber combined.
d.
Must use expanding bullets that weigh min. 70 grains for deer, pronghorn
and bear, 85 grains for elk and moose, and have an impact energy (at
100 yds.) of 1,000-ft. pounds as rated by manufacturer.
100 yds.) of 1,000-ft. pounds as rated by manufacturer.
e.
It is illegal to hunt game birds, small game mammals or furbearers with
a centerfire rifle larger than .23 caliber during regular rifle deer and elk seasons
Wof I-25, without an unfilled deer or elk license for the season.Last edited by ColoradoElk; 07-25-2009 at 11:03 AM.
07-27-2009, 11:45 AM
#25
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 2,414
I understand that, by law, you would be a poacher if you did not adhere to the 1,000 lb rule based on what you possted here
My question is, why was that set as the minimum?. Why was it not 1,500? What does 1000 do that say 500 will not.
If I take a 40 s&w with 165 grain JHP and press it against a deers vitals and pull the trigger i only have around 500 of ME. That's not enough?
Sorry if i sound a bit confused. I'm just not sure what formula was used to say that 1,000 is enough but 800 or 700 or 500 is not. OR that it shouldn't be 1,500
My question is, why was that set as the minimum?. Why was it not 1,500? What does 1000 do that say 500 will not.
If I take a 40 s&w with 165 grain JHP and press it against a deers vitals and pull the trigger i only have around 500 of ME. That's not enough?
Sorry if i sound a bit confused. I'm just not sure what formula was used to say that 1,000 is enough but 800 or 700 or 500 is not. OR that it shouldn't be 1,500
07-27-2009, 01:30 PM
#26
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 2,414
If hunting in Colorado and maintaining possession of your rifle, pickup and other gear is a goal of yours, I'd suggest keeping with the 1,000 ft/lbs at 100 yards. Otherwise, you are a POACHER.
a.
1. CENTERFIRE RIFLES
a.
Must be min. .24 caliber (6 mm).
b.
Must have min. a 16-inch barrel and be at least 26 inches long.
c.
If semiautomatic, they can hold max. of 6 rounds in the magazine and
chamber combined.
d.
Must use expanding bullets that weigh min. 70 grains for deer, pronghorn
and bear, 85 grains for elk and moose, and have an impact energy (at
100 yds.) of 1,000-ft. pounds as rated by manufacturer.
100 yds.) of 1,000-ft. pounds as rated by manufacturer.
e.
It is illegal to hunt game birds, small game mammals or furbearers with
a centerfire rifle larger than .23 caliber during regular rifle deer and elk seasons
Wof I-25, without an unfilled deer or elk license for the season.
d. above is interesting. I must have 1,000 lbs at 100 yards. So a 30-30 just about qualifies at 100 BUT I would not be a poacher if i tried to shoot it at 800 yards with that same 30-30
Last edited by DannyD; 07-27-2009 at 02:01 PM.
07-27-2009, 04:27 PM
#27
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Colorado
Posts: 411
"Sorry if i sound a bit confused. I'm just not sure what formula was used to say that 1,000 is enough but 800 or 700 or 500 is not. OR that it shouldn't be 1,500"
What did the Colorado Division of Wildlife say when you asked? If you did not ask, the link to post your question directly to them is below.
https://wildlife.state.co.us/askdowspecificform/
BTW, the S&W shot you described is an illegal take of game and thus, poaching.
What did the Colorado Division of Wildlife say when you asked? If you did not ask, the link to post your question directly to them is below.
https://wildlife.state.co.us/askdowspecificform/
BTW, the S&W shot you described is an illegal take of game and thus, poaching.
Last edited by ColoradoElk; 07-27-2009 at 04:55 PM.
07-28-2009, 05:30 AM
#28
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 2,414
"Sorry if i sound a bit confused. I'm just not sure what formula was used to say that 1,000 is enough but 800 or 700 or 500 is not. OR that it shouldn't be 1,500"
What did the Colorado Division of Wildlife say when you asked? If you did not ask, the link to post your question directly to them is below.
I am asking in general to those on this forum that prescribe to the 1,000 lb rule. Why is 1,000 stated and then accepted as the rule of thumb? BTW I am not saying it is valid or invalid. I just don't understand it
https://wildlife.state.co.us/askdowspecificform/
BTW, the S&W shot you described is an illegal take of game and thus, poaching.
What did the Colorado Division of Wildlife say when you asked? If you did not ask, the link to post your question directly to them is below.
I am asking in general to those on this forum that prescribe to the 1,000 lb rule. Why is 1,000 stated and then accepted as the rule of thumb? BTW I am not saying it is valid or invalid. I just don't understand it
https://wildlife.state.co.us/askdowspecificform/
BTW, the S&W shot you described is an illegal take of game and thus, poaching.
Last edited by DannyD; 07-28-2009 at 05:51 AM.
07-29-2009, 04:43 AM
#30
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Texas - BUT NOW in Madison County, NY
Posts: 6,270
There is no doubt that kinetic energy transfer is what kills. But the idea that one can specify a minimum requirement for any particular species is what is a crock. The different projectiles in question have different requirements for making a kill. Arrows, for example vs shotgun slugs vs rifle bullets vs pistol bullets. You can't specify a set figure of foot-pounds for any one of these that would be applicable to the others. Or applicable to the next round you fire, either.
(The requirement for 1000 ft/lb AT 100 yards and an 85-grain bullet for elk and moose is pretty liberal! I think the 223 Rem can be loaded to meet this requirement .)
(The requirement for 1000 ft/lb AT 100 yards and an 85-grain bullet for elk and moose is pretty liberal! I think the 223 Rem can be loaded to meet this requirement .)
Last edited by eldeguello; 07-29-2009 at 04:53 AM.