kaibab,
You sound like one of my nephews. Under informed and easily persuaded. You are right and we are wrong. The belief that you have all these rights and they are given to you by our gov. its just pathitic.You are a product of lib. school teachers,that is scary.I hope some of you will learn from this conversation how libs. will destroy our belief system.This country was founded by men tired of having to much gov. The belief in freedom and liberty was fought and won by them and many of our own family members thoughout the years of American histroy.Its sad to think it was all in vain,
WE dont have to have gov. step in and take our taxes to give to the poor,that will only make them poorer.The need to strive for something is striped away by welfare.It is not all the gov. fault that the housing went bad.The people that took those loans had to have some idea that they couldnt pay for it.That is called responsibility --- !!!!
Our economy was actully doing fine untill 2006.It had over come 9/11,an inherited recession from clinton,and several major natural disaters.Then we got pelosi and reid,the spending went out the roof. Sure GW made some mistakes but he tried to keep his beliefs in mind.
I hear you say capitalism doesnt work, show me one gov. that was successful that was socialist or noncapitalist, there were none and will never be.That is 1000 year history and alone comes obama,pelosi,and reid and they will make it work ???????? It has always and will continue to be a capitalistic gov. followed a collapse of socialism then the disribution of the peoples weath to try to equalize the living standard (ie: welfare,natiolized health care,housing bailout)of its citizens.
I am also tired of the notion that bush only cared about the rich. Let me ask you a question how many poor people hire anyone to work? ?? Or how many poor people have you worked for??None, so giving them a tax break only allows them to hire moreor expand there buieness.How can you not see that? Being jealouse and think that the gov. should egual out the money is wrong on all levels.I have seen and worked for many rich men,it was unbelivable how hard most of them WORK.Up at 4:00 in the morning and going home at 10:00pm, that is what its about.Striving for your own secess not living on the backs of the ones who have sacrificed to do so.

Now I understand, kaibab_hunter74 is only a dumb high school kid. Well, ask your parents if they got a tax-cut under Bush, they did, and are they "the wealthiest Americans"...?

Clear and convincing evidence of the failure of American public schools. The majority of Americans are now morons.

.......and kaibab is just in high school, a public facility probably, being fed this liberal crap. He may or may not go on to a higher education. THAT'S where it really gets scary...College!! I live in a college town. You ought to see what passes for university instructors anymore. Totally unbelieveable. The nut cases we turn our children over to for the purpose of receiving a higher education are, for the most part, some of the most rabid left-wing individuals alive. Our education systems, both state-funded and private funded are running amok with these indocrination specialists. It's no wonder the younger generation thinks and acts like it does. Whackos are in charge of their education......

He's in public school. Page school district, Page AZ. I'm just amazed at how badly the public schools have deteriorated since I graduated in 1993. I actually remember getting some semblance of an education. These days just about every high school student can rail on and on about how terrible George Bush was, but can't properly punctuate a sentence. If you've ever seen those man-on-the-street type quiz shows that interview young people it's readily apparent that our education system under the reign of the left for the last 30 years is a dismal failure.

Mike

Yeah but at least the kid has a opinion on politics.There's alot people his age that don't even who the VP is.

You Mike, have got be the most arrogant, pompous jackass that I have ever debated with….. For one, don’t get on me for punctuation, you can’t even make a sentence make sense….


“If you've ever seen those man-on-the-street type quiz shows that interview young people it's readily apparent that our education system under the reign of the left for the last 30 years is a dismal failure.”



^^^^^ total run-on, incomplete sentence with several errors. Let me correct it for you.

If you have ever seen those "man-on-the-street type quizzes", that show interviews with young people, it is readily apparent that our education system, under the reign of the left for the last 30 years, has been a dismal failure……

Getting corrected by an “uneducated teen”…………. tisk tisk.

BTW…. I live in AZ… do you honestly believe our education system is liberal?

This debate is done as far as my involvement goes. I'm clearly not changing my mind, and neither are you. The future holds the facts and proof on who will be right.... as I said before.... Clinton=budget surplus..... Bush=complete failure...... Obama=hopeful reconstruction.

later

At least answer my question!! I bet you get trashed canned weekly dont ya??

Where I come from: you've = you have... and it's = it is.... and "man on the street type quiz shows" is not the same as an interview being shown!! I'll, ooops!! I mean I will give ya the has been. so is 1 out of4 apassing grade in english these days!!

"you've" and "you have," and "it's" and "it is" are exactly the same thing. They're called CONTRACTIONS. If you're a senior in high school and don't know what a basic contraction is, then you've proven my point. Look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraction_(grammar)), or ask your English teacher if you don't believe me. "... that show interviews with young people..." Are you serious? Say that out loud and tell me that doesn't sound stupid. That is grammatically incorrect. As is putting the "...man-on-the-street...: in quotes. I wasn't quoting anything. And I used quiz show because I was referring to the actually shows dedicated to doing just what I said. I will concede that the addition of the commas after "people" and "years" is appropriate, in all fairness. However, the one after "quiz shows," is unnecessary although not incorrect either way.

I've (there's those contractions again [:@]) come to the conclusion that you're an uneducated, stubborn fool at best, and not worthy of my time and energy. You're also very young, and haven't really seen the world outside the comfort of your parent's home and the idealistic, liberal echo chamber that is the modern public school system. Hopefully wisdom will com for you with age. As for being an "... arrogant, pompous jackass...," it's only toward people like you. I have very little patience for left-wing, kool-aid chugging, intellectually dishonest teenagers that will deny that water is wet after being thrown in a lake. Toward everyone else, I'm actually a pretty personable guy.

Hopefully, as you grow older and mature a bit, you'll open your mind to the truth and embrace real liberty. Marxism/Socialism/Communism is a disease that causes terrible damage to any society it infects. It creates the illusion of liberty and financial security while it silently enslaves the poor and the working classes, destroys the middle class, and secures the power and privilege of the select few that occupy the ruling class. If that's the kind of America you want, then you are a Marxist; a sniveling coward, so scared of life's risks that you are willing to give up your liberty to big government on the hope that they'll take care of you. I truly wish you the best on your future, as you're not too old to change.

I'm not going to argue this anymore. I think it's pretty clear who has the upper hand here.

Mike