The Obama Plan
02-18-2009 | 09:54 PM
#51
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From: The Grand Canyon State
RE: The Obama Plan
ORIGINAL: driftrider
One of which is ACORN, Obama's former employer when he was a "community organizer," where he was nothing more than an instigator and rabble-rouser for ACORN's mob-for-hire program.
I actually remember hearing a report during the election that ACORN, in addition to their well known democrat voter fraud activities, had actually sent their mobs-for-hire to any inner-city banks that refused sub-prime loans to "underprivileged" borrowers. According to the reports they go right into the bank itself and make a scene, or they'd trail the bank managers and execs home and harass them and their families until they complied with ACORN's and the democrat "underwriting" standards.
Obama is buddy-buddy with a lot of highly questionable indivduals and groups.
Mike
The democrats and their watchdog agencies were threatening law suits against banks/financial institutions if they did not give enough loans to the underpriviledged.
I actually remember hearing a report during the election that ACORN, in addition to their well known democrat voter fraud activities, had actually sent their mobs-for-hire to any inner-city banks that refused sub-prime loans to "underprivileged" borrowers. According to the reports they go right into the bank itself and make a scene, or they'd trail the bank managers and execs home and harass them and their families until they complied with ACORN's and the democrat "underwriting" standards.
Obama is buddy-buddy with a lot of highly questionable indivduals and groups.
Mike
02-18-2009 | 10:13 PM
#52
Nontypical Buck
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From: Coralville, IA. USA
RE: The Obama Plan
You've got to be kidding me? You site more far-left propaganda sights and opinion blogs as source material? And you call me an idiot. Did you even read that stuff? I'm not even going to begin to fact check that garbage, because most of it is at best carefully spun half-truths. I gave you a piece that defines fascism for what it historically is. You've sited a bunch of anti-bush drivel that makes President Bush into a fascist by again redefining what a fascist is to make the case. If you want to debate, go find some actual source documents. You've obviously consumed way too much of the far-left kool-aid.
I will say one thing, I've grown tired of having this endless debate with you. You obviously bought the propaganda and you've made up your mind, and you're too intellectually dishonest and closed-minded to even consider another point-of-view (a trait sadly common in my experience among liberals, especially since they claim to be so open minded). I read the links you posted and found them to be lacking, but I highly doubt that you actually read my posts or went to scott gags' link. One thing is certain, you're not going to let yourself be swayed by facts, and I'm not going to be swayed by emotionally charged, vitriolic and hyperbolic propaganda. The only question I have is, now that Bush is out of public life, who are you libs going to live to hate now?
Mike
I will say one thing, I've grown tired of having this endless debate with you. You obviously bought the propaganda and you've made up your mind, and you're too intellectually dishonest and closed-minded to even consider another point-of-view (a trait sadly common in my experience among liberals, especially since they claim to be so open minded). I read the links you posted and found them to be lacking, but I highly doubt that you actually read my posts or went to scott gags' link. One thing is certain, you're not going to let yourself be swayed by facts, and I'm not going to be swayed by emotionally charged, vitriolic and hyperbolic propaganda. The only question I have is, now that Bush is out of public life, who are you libs going to live to hate now?
Mike
02-18-2009 | 10:19 PM
#53
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From: The Grand Canyon State
RE: The Obama Plan
ORIGINAL: driftrider
You've got to be kidding me? You site more far-left propaganda sights and opinion blogs as source material? And you call me an idiot. Did you even read that stuff? I'm not even going to begin to fact check that garbage, because most of it is at best carefully spun half-truths. I gave you a piece that defines fascism for what it historically is. You've sited a bunch of anti-bush drivel that makes President Bush into a fascist by again redefining what a fascist is to make the case. If you want to debate, go find some actual source documents. You've obviously consumed way too much of the far-left kool-aid.
I will say one thing, I've grown tired of having this endless debate with you. You obviously bought the propaganda and you've made up your mind, and you're too intellectually dishonest and closed-minded to even consider another point-of-view (a trait sadly common in my experience among liberals, especially since they claim to be so open minded). I read the links you posted and found them to be lacking, but I highly doubt that you actually read my posts or went to scott gags' link. One thing is certain, you're not going to let yourself be swayed by facts, and I'm not going to be swayed by emotionally charged, vitriolic and hyperbolic propaganda. The only question I have is, now that Bush is out of public life, who are you libs going to live to hate now?
Mike
You've got to be kidding me? You site more far-left propaganda sights and opinion blogs as source material? And you call me an idiot. Did you even read that stuff? I'm not even going to begin to fact check that garbage, because most of it is at best carefully spun half-truths. I gave you a piece that defines fascism for what it historically is. You've sited a bunch of anti-bush drivel that makes President Bush into a fascist by again redefining what a fascist is to make the case. If you want to debate, go find some actual source documents. You've obviously consumed way too much of the far-left kool-aid.
I will say one thing, I've grown tired of having this endless debate with you. You obviously bought the propaganda and you've made up your mind, and you're too intellectually dishonest and closed-minded to even consider another point-of-view (a trait sadly common in my experience among liberals, especially since they claim to be so open minded). I read the links you posted and found them to be lacking, but I highly doubt that you actually read my posts or went to scott gags' link. One thing is certain, you're not going to let yourself be swayed by facts, and I'm not going to be swayed by emotionally charged, vitriolic and hyperbolic propaganda. The only question I have is, now that Bush is out of public life, who are you libs going to live to hate now?
Mike
I'll tell you what, if or when the dems. screw up ( this admin and congress ) and facts are clean and up front... I will gladly blame them and myself.... but until then, the majority of the country has good faith in them.... you're the minority.
02-18-2009 | 10:59 PM
#54
Nontypical Buck
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From: Coralville, IA. USA
RE: The Obama Plan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/10/AR2009021001271.html
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/16205975/detail.html
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22500&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12340&cHash=5b5eaaa2cb (Straight from the horses mouth)
http://www.acornloans.com/index.php?id=17024&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=21976&tx_ttnews[backPid]=17023&cHash=c053b61767 (and another)
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=307667123149723
Kaibab, I doubt you'll bother to read these, but they back up my statement about ACORN. I knew I wasn't imagining it. Seems ACORN is well know for their aggressive and illegal protests. Like I said, they are nothing more that a mob-for-hire.
Mike
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/16205975/detail.html
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22500&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12340&cHash=5b5eaaa2cb (Straight from the horses mouth)
http://www.acornloans.com/index.php?id=17024&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=21976&tx_ttnews[backPid]=17023&cHash=c053b61767 (and another)
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=307667123149723
Kaibab, I doubt you'll bother to read these, but they back up my statement about ACORN. I knew I wasn't imagining it. Seems ACORN is well know for their aggressive and illegal protests. Like I said, they are nothing more that a mob-for-hire.
Mike
02-18-2009 | 11:24 PM
#55
Nontypical Buck
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From: Coralville, IA. USA
RE: The Obama Plan
You're completely right Mike..... facts are facts.... and the fact is that renown economist and the majority of this country think that GWB and his admin. and his congress were a complete failure, and help cause the majority of this crisis..........
And just because the majority perceives something as true, doesn't make it so. This is the true danger of pure democracy, any government run by the whims of simple majority opinion is doomed to regress into collectivist tyranny. The majority of people used to think that the Earth was flat and the center of the universe. If we use your logic to base truth on public opinion, it becomes easy to see just how stupid your assertion is.
Well, I'm done with you. I'm tired and going to go to bed. Besides, I'm starting to feel a little guilty about having a battle of wits with someone who's unarmed.
Mike
EMOGRATS 2007-2009,so if this correct the MAJORITY of congress was REPUBLICAN most of Bush's term.
02-19-2009 | 05:26 AM
#57
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From: The Grand Canyon State
RE: The Obama Plan
ORIGINAL: driftrider
What "renoun (sic) economist"?
And just because the majority perceives something as true, doesn't make it so. This is the true danger of pure democracy, any government run by the whims of simple majority opinion is doomed to regress into collectivist tyranny. The majority of people used to think that the Earth was flat and the center of the universe. If we use your logic to base truth on public opinion, it becomes easy to see just how stupid your assertion is.
Well, I'm done with you. I'm tired and going to go to bed. Besides, I'm starting to feel a little guilty about having a battle of wits with someone who's unarmed.
Mike
You're completely right Mike..... facts are facts.... and the fact is that renown economist and the majority of this country think that GWB and his admin. and his congress were a complete failure, and help cause the majority of this crisis..........
And just because the majority perceives something as true, doesn't make it so. This is the true danger of pure democracy, any government run by the whims of simple majority opinion is doomed to regress into collectivist tyranny. The majority of people used to think that the Earth was flat and the center of the universe. If we use your logic to base truth on public opinion, it becomes easy to see just how stupid your assertion is.
Well, I'm done with you. I'm tired and going to go to bed. Besides, I'm starting to feel a little guilty about having a battle of wits with someone who's unarmed.
Mike
these economist: justa few assesments throughout his presidency.
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/02/12_akerlof.shtml
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12931660
http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/01/18/the-economist-says-good-riddance-to-george-w-bush/
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/12/world_renowned_philosopher_slavoj_zizek_on
you're gunna cry wolf on all these....
Why do you keep going on about ACORN? I haven't said anything about them.
02-19-2009 | 06:06 AM
#58
Nontypical Buck
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From: Elizabeth Colo. USA
RE: The Obama Plan
There is no way in this economy sporting gun sales or ammunition saleshaveincreased...
Oh, and by the way, welcome to the NRA jerry d. We need more like you to help standup and fight for our rights that are sure to be under full attack very soon.