Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
09-23-2008, 09:04 PM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
Whoa horsey.....relax man. Just check your scope mounts and rings, make sure everything is snug. You might be gettting a little flinchy. 4 boxes of 30-06 (I assume its 30-06) will make anyone tired. How much have you tried to move the scope adjustments? Some people will try to adjust after one shot. Dont do it. If you're shooting groups, get the thing set up, relax squeeze the trigger, let the gun cool a bit, shot it again. You're all hyped up. Im not sure about the sight vice. I use 2 sand bags, 1 under the forearm, one under the butt of the stock. Once you get it set, its easy to repeat. Leupolds generally are pretty tough scopes.
Here's a little story of my Winchester Model 70 in 270 to calm you down.Did a "deep clean" before my sight in for the season. Dont really need it, but I love the smell of Hoppes #9. Took the dang thing completley apart. Get it all back together, shoot some groups, about 1.25" to 1.5". I know the gun is sub MOA, so I figured I was just a little rusty. Didnt really care because the groups were fine. Hunted all season, shot a deer, hunted some more and so on..... So I decided to do a little clean up before putting her away for a "long winters nap". Then I hear it, the mojo death rattle. I thought what the heck is rattling?So I start tapping on different parts of the gun and getto the scope. I tap the scope and it sounds like the lenses are broken, but they look fine when I look thought it. Then, I realized what was making the noise, the top rings of the scope mounts (Talley one piece aluminum). To my shock and horror, Ifound that all the screwswere loose except for one, which was finger tight only!!!! I never finished mounting thescope! I tightened one screw with my fingersso I could set the eye relief and square the cross hairs and never bothered totighten anything else!!
So I dug through my shooting bag and found my old sight in target and thought "Imagine how good this sucker will be with ALL the screws tight!!
Now off to sleep, and quit worrying...................zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Here's a little story of my Winchester Model 70 in 270 to calm you down.Did a "deep clean" before my sight in for the season. Dont really need it, but I love the smell of Hoppes #9. Took the dang thing completley apart. Get it all back together, shoot some groups, about 1.25" to 1.5". I know the gun is sub MOA, so I figured I was just a little rusty. Didnt really care because the groups were fine. Hunted all season, shot a deer, hunted some more and so on..... So I decided to do a little clean up before putting her away for a "long winters nap". Then I hear it, the mojo death rattle. I thought what the heck is rattling?So I start tapping on different parts of the gun and getto the scope. I tap the scope and it sounds like the lenses are broken, but they look fine when I look thought it. Then, I realized what was making the noise, the top rings of the scope mounts (Talley one piece aluminum). To my shock and horror, Ifound that all the screwswere loose except for one, which was finger tight only!!!! I never finished mounting thescope! I tightened one screw with my fingersso I could set the eye relief and square the cross hairs and never bothered totighten anything else!!
So I dug through my shooting bag and found my old sight in target and thought "Imagine how good this sucker will be with ALL the screws tight!!
Now off to sleep, and quit worrying...................zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
09-23-2008, 11:31 PM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
I shot two boxes yesterday and 1 box the day before then about 1 and a half boxes today. They aren't all at one time. Today I tried to shoot 2-3 shots then let it cool for 10-30 mintues but that takes forever. Takes me all day to get some shots in. After 2-3 shots it seems to shoot randomly but has always been good for the first 2-3 shots until it gets hot.
Haha cool story.
Haha cool story.
09-24-2008, 09:04 AM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
Letting the rifle cool is super important. Yeah, it takes a log time but its neccesarry we all have to do it. I put a 15 min. break between each 3 shot group. The most important thing is to calm down and have confidence. If you think the group will be bad it will be bad. It may be that you are not a 100 yard MOA shooter and 1'' at 50 yards should be 2'' at 100 yards anyway. Check your scope first then let someone else shot your rifle. Once again if you think your shot won't hit the bullzeye it won't.
10-23-2008, 06:38 AM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
did you get your problem resolved? If not I got something for you to check put your gun into your gun vise to shoot, now can you slide a dollar between the stock and barrell the barrell might be getting hot and touching your stock throwing you off. The vise could be squeezing the stock into the barrell or close to it.
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10-23-2008, 06:57 AM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
ORIGINAL: hometheaterman
I've been shooting 165 grain Winchester Soft Point ammo in my gun and have liked it a fair amount but never gotten it to group exactly like I wanted. Close usually but not exactly like I wanted.
Anyway I tried some Winchester 150 grain Silver Tips as I accidentally bought the wrong thing. The biggest downside to these is they are $23 a box instead of $15 a box. Anyway I kept hearing my buddies saying how they were crap and they didn't like them. Well I tried them and I hit 6 times cutting one hole in another in about a 1" hole with 6 shots in it. That impressed me and was way better than what I've done before. I've done that before with maybe 1 hole then another hitting right there with it but not 6. I really liked this but they all had me convinced that they are too soft.
Then there are the power points which I'm not sure what the difference is between those and the soft points they are in 150 grain also.
Which should I choose? I'm hunting white tail dear and maybe black bear. I want something with plenty of knockdown power. Will the Silver Tips be fine for that? I don't want to miss a dear from using ammo that wont take him down. What about for the bear? Should I just stick with those or should I start trying the Power points in 150 grain?
I've been shooting 165 grain Winchester Soft Point ammo in my gun and have liked it a fair amount but never gotten it to group exactly like I wanted. Close usually but not exactly like I wanted.
Anyway I tried some Winchester 150 grain Silver Tips as I accidentally bought the wrong thing. The biggest downside to these is they are $23 a box instead of $15 a box. Anyway I kept hearing my buddies saying how they were crap and they didn't like them. Well I tried them and I hit 6 times cutting one hole in another in about a 1" hole with 6 shots in it. That impressed me and was way better than what I've done before. I've done that before with maybe 1 hole then another hitting right there with it but not 6. I really liked this but they all had me convinced that they are too soft.
Then there are the power points which I'm not sure what the difference is between those and the soft points they are in 150 grain also.
Which should I choose? I'm hunting white tail dear and maybe black bear. I want something with plenty of knockdown power. Will the Silver Tips be fine for that? I don't want to miss a dear from using ammo that wont take him down. What about for the bear? Should I just stick with those or should I start trying the Power points in 150 grain?
If any of these are pushed too fast they are soft... But, if they are going at a reasonable velocity, they work pretty good on deer...
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10-23-2008, 10:00 AM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
Yeah. I got it resolved. The vise I have isn't the best so it was still allowing me to move some. A buddy has one that's a way better setup so I used his. The only problem there is his 100 yard target was destroyed by the wind so we had to shoot at 50 yards. The first time I sighted it in dead on at 50 yards. As in it was cutting out the little bullseye every shot as long as I didn't pull. Then I dropped the gun that night. Well, it fell over when leaning up against something and I went to shoot it and it was 4" or so high. I brought it back down so it was right under 1" high. I figure this will be better at 100 yards as I plan to shoot around 100 yards or so with it. So I figure right under 1" high at 50 should be good at 100. I would like to someday check it at 100 yards I just didn't have a target that far out then. Anyway it's shooting really tight groups again. I really really like these Silvertips. I bought all 3 boxes a local gun shop had. I shot one sighting it in so have 2 boxes left.
The gun is a Browning BAR 30-06. The bullets are 30-06 150 Grain Silvertips.
The gun is a Browning BAR 30-06. The bullets are 30-06 150 Grain Silvertips.
10-23-2008, 11:47 AM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
The Win. Power Point IS a softpoint, pure & simple. As for Silvertips, if you are referring to what Win. calls a "Ballistic Silvertip", these bullets are identical to the Nosler Ballistic Tip except for the COLOR of the plastic tip used.
If you are referring to the classic Win. Silvertip bullet, these are sort ofa "controlled expansion" softpoint type, with an aluminum covering over the lead at the front end. This covering more or lessdelays the start of the expansion until the bullet has penetrated a little way into the target animal.
For deer hunting, it does not matter much which bullet you choose, so select the one that shoots most accurately in your rifle.
If you are referring to the classic Win. Silvertip bullet, these are sort ofa "controlled expansion" softpoint type, with an aluminum covering over the lead at the front end. This covering more or lessdelays the start of the expansion until the bullet has penetrated a little way into the target animal.
For deer hunting, it does not matter much which bullet you choose, so select the one that shoots most accurately in your rifle.
10-23-2008, 06:56 PM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
Did you ever change out the Leupold for the Burris?
Right now I have the Burris sitting in a box. I may switch it out next year or even this year if something happens but I hate to do it when the Leupold is sighted in. Or if I get a new rifle or anything I may just put it on that. Not really sure but right now the plans are as stated above to just have it for a spare this year and maybe put it on next year and see how I like it.
10-23-2008, 06:56 PM
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RE: Winchester Power Point vs Silver Tip vs Soft Point Ammo
a softpoint, pure & simple. As for Silvertips, if you are referring to what Win. calls a "Ballistic Silvertip", these bullets are identical to the Nosler Ballistic Tip except for the COLOR of the plastic tip used.
If you are referring to the classic Win. Silvertip bullet, these are sort of a "controlled expansion" softpoint type, with an aluminum covering over the lead at the front end. This covering more or less delays the start of the expansion until the bullet has penetrated a little way into the target animal.
For deer hunting, it does not matter much which bullet you choose, so select the one that shoots most accurately in your rifle.
If you are referring to the classic Win. Silvertip bullet, these are sort of a "controlled expansion" softpoint type, with an aluminum covering over the lead at the front end. This covering more or less delays the start of the expansion until the bullet has penetrated a little way into the target animal.
For deer hunting, it does not matter much which bullet you choose, so select the one that shoots most accurately in your rifle.
ORIGINAL: eldeguello
The Win. Power Point IS a softpoint, pure & simple. As for Silvertips, if you are referring to what Win. calls a "Ballistic Silvertip", these bullets are identical to the Nosler Ballistic Tip except for the COLOR of the plastic tip used.
If you are referring to the classic Win. Silvertip bullet, these are sort ofa "controlled expansion" softpoint type, with an aluminum covering over the lead at the front end. This covering more or lessdelays the start of the expansion until the bullet has penetrated a little way into the target animal.
For deer hunting, it does not matter much which bullet you choose, so select the one that shoots most accurately in your rifle.
The Win. Power Point IS a softpoint, pure & simple. As for Silvertips, if you are referring to what Win. calls a "Ballistic Silvertip", these bullets are identical to the Nosler Ballistic Tip except for the COLOR of the plastic tip used.
If you are referring to the classic Win. Silvertip bullet, these are sort ofa "controlled expansion" softpoint type, with an aluminum covering over the lead at the front end. This covering more or lessdelays the start of the expansion until the bullet has penetrated a little way into the target animal.
For deer hunting, it does not matter much which bullet you choose, so select the one that shoots most accurately in your rifle.