300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
09-21-2008 | 08:54 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: 300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
tom, no doubt, equipment has a ton to do with it....but a rifle shooting a 1" group at 100yds SHOULD print 2" at 200yds....? 3" at 300yds...?
i dont know...ive kinda always thought so though...im new to the "long range stuff" and im working slowly and learning what i can when i can and will work on equipment as i go. but to me if your hitting 1" left at 100yds you'll be hitting 2" left at 200yds?
once you got a rifle and scope setup and ammo that shoots decent, only thing left is the guy behind the rifle. not overly hard to setup a rifle to beable to shoot 1" groups or so at 100yds these days...
i dont know...ive kinda always thought so though...im new to the "long range stuff" and im working slowly and learning what i can when i can and will work on equipment as i go. but to me if your hitting 1" left at 100yds you'll be hitting 2" left at 200yds?
once you got a rifle and scope setup and ammo that shoots decent, only thing left is the guy behind the rifle. not overly hard to setup a rifle to beable to shoot 1" groups or so at 100yds these days...
09-21-2008 | 09:20 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: 300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
wish there was a place to shoot 200yds+ around here. hard enough to find 200yds.
100yd public semi nearby, ie 1hr,
200yd public, about 1hr30mins....
300yds plus.public ...doesnt exist .....
100yd public semi nearby, ie 1hr,
200yd public, about 1hr30mins....
300yds plus.public ...doesnt exist .....
09-21-2008 | 09:38 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: 300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
Hopefully one of these days in the next 2 weeks I'll get a day that the wind doesn't blow 30mph and I'll go do some 300 yard groups with a few of my firearms. One will be a Savage.....
Got a few new loads worked up for a few rifles before antelope/deer season rolls in.
Got a few new loads worked up for a few rifles before antelope/deer season rolls in.
09-21-2008 | 10:57 PM
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RE: 300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
ORIGINAL: mauser06
tom, no doubt, equipment has a ton to do with it....but a rifle shooting a 1" group at 100yds SHOULD print 2" at 200yds....? 3" at 300yds...?
i dont know...ive kinda always thought so though...im new to the "long range stuff" and im working slowly and learning what i can when i can and will work on equipment as i go. but to me if your hitting 1" left at 100yds you'll be hitting 2" left at 200yds?
once you got a rifle and scope setup and ammo that shoots decent, only thing left is the guy behind the rifle. not overly hard to setup a rifle to beable to shoot 1" groups or so at 100yds these days...
tom, no doubt, equipment has a ton to do with it....but a rifle shooting a 1" group at 100yds SHOULD print 2" at 200yds....? 3" at 300yds...?
i dont know...ive kinda always thought so though...im new to the "long range stuff" and im working slowly and learning what i can when i can and will work on equipment as i go. but to me if your hitting 1" left at 100yds you'll be hitting 2" left at 200yds?
once you got a rifle and scope setup and ammo that shoots decent, only thing left is the guy behind the rifle. not overly hard to setup a rifle to beable to shoot 1" groups or so at 100yds these days...
09-22-2008 | 08:08 AM
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RE: 300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001
I wish what you are saying here was the truth. But it is far from the truth. There are a lot of variables with the equipment we use. The main reason of my post was to show that shooting is not so simple. Especially when you start to shoot at distances past 100 yards. Tom.
ORIGINAL: mauser06
tom, no doubt, equipment has a ton to do with it....but a rifle shooting a 1" group at 100yds SHOULD print 2" at 200yds....? 3" at 300yds...?
i dont know...ive kinda always thought so though...im new to the "long range stuff" and im working slowly and learning what i can when i can and will work on equipment as i go. but to me if your hitting 1" left at 100yds you'll be hitting 2" left at 200yds?
once you got a rifle and scope setup and ammo that shoots decent, only thing left is the guy behind the rifle. not overly hard to setup a rifle to beable to shoot 1" groups or so at 100yds these days...
tom, no doubt, equipment has a ton to do with it....but a rifle shooting a 1" group at 100yds SHOULD print 2" at 200yds....? 3" at 300yds...?
i dont know...ive kinda always thought so though...im new to the "long range stuff" and im working slowly and learning what i can when i can and will work on equipment as i go. but to me if your hitting 1" left at 100yds you'll be hitting 2" left at 200yds?
once you got a rifle and scope setup and ammo that shoots decent, only thing left is the guy behind the rifle. not overly hard to setup a rifle to beable to shoot 1" groups or so at 100yds these days...
I've helped a few guys get out of their comfort zones (100,200yds.) and one of the things I've noticed is guys who have good trigger form start jerking and pulling the trigger at 300 and beyond.
I've also noticed that a lot of guys shoot from rests every time out to the range and have confidence with it. What do they do in the field? You can't carry a Lead Sled into the mountains. I don't even consider that shooting. Your just looking through your sights and squeezing the trigger.
09-22-2008 | 08:11 AM
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RE: 300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
ORIGINAL: mauser06
tom, no doubt, equipment has a ton to do with it....but a rifle shooting a 1" group at 100yds SHOULD print 2" at 200yds....? 3" at 300yds...?
i dont know...ive kinda always thought so though...im new to the "long range stuff" and im working slowly and learning what i can when i can and will work on equipment as i go. but to me if your hitting 1" left at 100yds you'll be hitting 2" left at 200yds?
once you got a rifle and scope setup and ammo that shoots decent, only thing left is the guy behind the rifle. not overly hard to setup a rifle to beable to shoot 1" groups or so at 100yds these days...
tom, no doubt, equipment has a ton to do with it....but a rifle shooting a 1" group at 100yds SHOULD print 2" at 200yds....? 3" at 300yds...?
i dont know...ive kinda always thought so though...im new to the "long range stuff" and im working slowly and learning what i can when i can and will work on equipment as i go. but to me if your hitting 1" left at 100yds you'll be hitting 2" left at 200yds?
once you got a rifle and scope setup and ammo that shoots decent, only thing left is the guy behind the rifle. not overly hard to setup a rifle to beable to shoot 1" groups or so at 100yds these days...
In a vacuum i would say youmay be right (maybe). As you add distance though you add more varables. Forexample, from 0-200 yards you might have a crosswind of 6 MPH. out at 200 to400 the crosswind may be different (more or less) and then from 400-600 it may be different yet again. Additionally, the FPS is decreasing at a rate that is not exactly linear giving you another variable.
Those are just a few of the reasons why 100 = 1" then 600 = 6" is not reality
09-22-2008 | 05:14 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: 300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
I don't profess to be a great shot. So...when I can shoot into a 6" (dessert) pie plate at 300 yds. off the hood of my truck using a rolled up blanket and a rear sand bag I am happy. I hunt. I don't compete. At 400 yds I need a 9" pie plate. But they are all in there. Off shooting sticks 300 yds seems to be my limit. I do this with both my guns. A 100 yd. sub-MOA Remington Mountain rifle in .280 and a MOA+ .257 Roberts Bullberry barrel on my Encore.
09-23-2008 | 08:07 AM
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RE: 300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
ORIGINAL: zrexpilot
If I see a deer at 500 yds, I'll drive within 300 yds, walk another 150, crawl another 75 and shoot hm in the neck with my .22 hornet.
If I see a deer at 500 yds, I'll drive within 300 yds, walk another 150, crawl another 75 and shoot hm in the neck with my .22 hornet.
So as youare passing the deer to get past it by 25 yardsdo you crawl under it or hop over it?