Go ahead, brag on your Savage.......
 

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...........OK, looks nice. I count three holes for sure...As Paul Harvey says, "Now for the rest of the story"......???

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100 yards, 87 Vmax's @ 3200 fps......

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Don't know why you waste your time with the savage koolaid drinkers.

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how do you get .210" when an 87gr bullet is at least .24" diameter. ?

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I would suspect he is saying .210 is center to center. Usually how groups are measured.

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Wondering where the "outta the box boys" are......

Too funny.......

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Center to center, but you knew that already didn't ya........

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Yeah so what. You missed the target!

Tom

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Yep missed it clean, it's not a Savage though, remember.....grins.

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WOrshipping at the altar of mediocrisy would be my best guess. ;) Those 2 just make me crack up .

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Well RL - I'll call your bluff. Here is my target shot with a truly "Out of the Box" Savage 11FYCAK (Youth model) 7-08. Two consecutive 5 shot groups measuring 0.41" and 0.29". And this rifle did not have a after market bedding job or trigger job either. Load was 38 gr of IMR 4895 and W-W 150 gr SP. And notice they are 5 shot groups, not 3 shots.
I also have a .223 that will do just as well and a 30-06 that comes close.
I am happy you got a load that shoots well out of your rifle. I just hope it is consistant. So your 3 shot group is 8 hundreths of an inch smaller than my 5 shot group. Wow, I'm impressed. But the again, I also have a few hundred $$ left in my pocket.

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Not bluffing anyone, sorry you took it that way, almost.

It is what it is, no more, no less......

What's your barrel length and velocity on that 7mm, if only for conversation.........

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RL - That is a 22" bbl. I don't have a chrony and interpolating from the book, MV is around 2500 - 2550.
FYI - Here is a 5 shot group from my .223 - Unfortunately I had a flyer that almost doubled the group size (was well under .5"). Again, its an 'out of the box' Savage.
BTW - What chambering are you shooting??

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OK just one more "out-of-the-box" Savage. This pic is 2 - 3 shot groups from My Savage 116FLSS, 30-06 using 180 Nosler Accubonds at a MV around 2700 fps.
Upper left groups measures .502", center group .877"
And tonight for supper I am having elk steak from the bull I shot last year - one shot from 297 yds with this rifle.
Mmmmmmm, Mmmmmmmm, good
I could go on and on about my Savage 17HMR and 22, but I think I made my point. Savage rifles arepretty damn goodin my book.

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.243AI, sub 20" factory SPS barrel, factory trigger,87 Vmax's @3200 fps...

I think it'll do.............

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Should add, 85 TSX'sshoot just a tad better........

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But its not an out of the box Rem.
Nice shooting though.

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well there you have it. I don't recall Remington ever manufacturing a 243AI in standard production. So you must havea custom built rifle on a Remington action (would be my choiice for an action too) vs an Out of the Box Savage.
Hey, you have a good shooting rifle there no doubt. But I believe you invested quite a bit more $ for what - less than .100" accuracy. Seems like myinvestment is getting substantiallysmallerthan your's for a very minimal return.

And as I recall someone else saying - "nuff said"

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I have an idea, instead of comparing custom rifles based on a manufacturer's action, let's do a consumer-level test. Put the Stevens bolt-action (cheapest Savage makes) and put it up against what ever Remington is selling cheapest right now and take them both to the range and shoot factory ammo out of them and see which one does better. This whole argument has been about who is the superior manufacturer, am I correct? A chain is only as strong as it's cheapest link. Who do you guys think would win that one?

I know there are some guys who shoot the Stevens on here, and someone is bound to be shooting Remington's cheapest as well. What is it now, the 710 or 715? I know they bought out Charles Daly's interest in a rifle manufacturer in Turkey that produces the Mauser version they are selling now. Maybe that's the cheapest Remington puts their name on?

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Rifle Looney help me try and follow the premise of this post. You make an anti Savagechallenge

and then you post a group from a Remington that apparently is not an out of the box rifle. Is that correct or am I missing something?

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Im thinking rifle loony is somewhere wishing he had not started this post......

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I'm going to guess that whether you admit to it or not, you both got these groups shooting from a lead sled and you probably let the barrel cool 3 to 4 minutes in between shots. I'm going to call you out on this, you are not being true to the Corps! [8D]

Big deal, I can cover my groups with a quarter and I am shooting a Ruger M77 MKII that is not free floated, nor bedded, and has a heavy trigger. Shooting from sandbags without supporting the butt of my rifle on any platform except for the pocket of my shoulder none the less!

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No, the out of the box rule only applies to challengers, Loony can use customized benchrest rifles :D

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I keep a Savage in my boat in case I lose my other paddle. :)

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Dozen - Ijust want to inform you but I don't have a lead sled, nor will I ever have one. Not because I am 'macho' but because I do not have a need for one. I do believe that they may serve a purpose for some shooters. Just not this one. And my groups were shot off a bench and sand bags with no more than a minute between shots. And I can probably say the same for RL too as far as the lead sled goes. Yes I shoot of a bench and sand bags when I am testing loads, sighting in scopes etc. But I do a lot of practicing from the basic 4 positions (prone, sitting, kneeling and off hand), in addition to using shooting sticks.
But his post isn't about shooting style its about "Out of the Box" accuracy. But some folks don't play by the rules.

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LOL I was thinking the same thing :D:D:D

....neither a Savage or Remington.... I cheated and used a bone stock Cooper M22 in 6.5x284 to fire this 5 shot group @ 100yds. The inside of the bull is .375" , never measured the group it but it's good enough[8D]

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Wonderin' what you deleted there Bronk.....

Something similar to the email from you that I just found?

What a tool.........

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Contrary to your opinion things also happen off'net for those that have alife...

Work, my kids football game,my home computer down for repair, and taking my family out to dinnerall keptme busy yesterday afternoon/last night......

Any more YOU want to say on the subject?

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You are onlypartly right, but you are probably getting used to that by now........

The rifle is not out of the box original, true.

BUT, when comparing the parts that count understand that the antiRemingtonCrowd's biggest leg to stand on,is barrel and trigger.

This riflehas abone stock action, and has only been lapped at the lugs, nothing more than what a bunch of years of cranking the bolt would have done.

This rifle has a bone stock trigger, X Mark Pro, IMHO the best factory trigger on the planet...and has been adjusted to 1 1/4 pounds.

This rifle has a factory barrel, set back one turn and punched AI. Not "stock", true due to the chambering, but it's still in the same 20 inch configuration it was bought as and the rifling/crown itself is no more no less than factory issued. It was punched AI for one reason...to achieve normal .243 velocities or betterin a shorter than normalbarrel. Which it does, 3200+ fps with 85/87 grain bullets.

A rifle stock is a rifle stock, and since this rifle was purchased as a youth model just to get the barrel and action, best bang for the buck...the stock was needing replaced with an adult sized handle. Since I bed everything I own anyway it was only natural to bed this barreled action into a McMillan. Too bad every rifle sold doesn't already come on a McMillan, but a few Remmy's do andSavages don't. The group above was fired with a pressure point in placejust as if it came from the factory.

A rifle needs good mounts and good glass, and if thattakes it out of your realm of "factory" just becauseit wears a Leupy and set of Talley LW's then sobe it....ride yourBushnell/Weaver combofull speed ahead.

The point of this post was not to say that Savages don't shoot well, it was to say that the factory Remmy action/barrel/trigger assembly DOES shoot....something I hearis impossible from many Savage guys.

I should add that I credit the accuracy of this rifle not soley to the action/barrel/trigger, but rather to the fact that the handloads are absolutely consentric. Well preparedquality brass, exact weighed powder charges, and a good bullet all contribute more than the rifle itself.

I would imagine that many of the Anti Remington people, many of which are Savage Fanatics judge things on far less and wouldn't know the difference anyway.

My point was, to those undecidedsitting on the fence, is thatyou CAN get a Remington to shoot, and I've done much the same with factory Remmy's with far less mods than this one has............

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The whole debate was out of the box, you fail to understand this. Any gun can be made to shoot.
Just to remind you I dont own a savage, I own a rem.

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This is the third post, minimum, that this character has got involved in on this subject. All he does is want to start a debate. Let him have his tiny little group and brag that his modified factory rifle can shoot a few hundredths of an in over another brand of rifle right out of the box. Well big whoop dee doo? I wonder how much more his fancy rifle cost him? And he has the balls to call me a tool!!

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X2.....but it's worth having jokers like him around for entertainment purposes! :D

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Don't own a Savage....can't say I've ever even held one. Got nothing againstSavage or any other brand for that matter. I just prefer Remingtion.I agree its important when making comparisons to try to keep it apples to apples as much as possible. All these 3 shot groups @ 100 Yds ware made withwith the same rifle and my handloads. I guess I just wanted to post this to show what a huge difference justa little bit of after market smithin can sometimes make.

Remington out of the box groups - 7.25Lb Trigger with lots of creep.


Remington after gunsmithtrigger job: 3.25 Lb trigger pullw/very little creep. No other modifications to the rifle.


NOTE: dark squares are 1/2".

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It looks like it is time to get that Timney installed!

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Very good Firstshot, Isn't it amazinghow a good trigger can make a rifle shooter shootbetter?

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I dont even start breaking a barrel in until I get the trigger where I want it. Makes ALL the diff.

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It took me a while to learn that, but it finally sunk in. I won't even shoot a rifle until I'm done with the trigger. It's just a waist of ammo.

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Ain't it the truth!!! I think the trigger is the first place to start, followed very closely by handloading for that specific rifle. For hunting, those two things should get you 99% there. (If not, get a different gun) As far as I'm concerned...the other 1% improvementis for the serious target shooters.

Maybe I've just been lucky, but I haven't had a rifle yet that couldn't shoot MOA or better with a good trigger (0r trigger job) and handloads built for that rifle.

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