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I have been burned a couple times on Internet deals. So I don't dothem much anymore. I think this no longer has to do with money it has to do with "simple fact". I wouldn't let up... run this dude thru the dirt.

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ORIGINAL POST FROM SCOTT REGARDING THE DIES-

reloading stuff shotgun and rifel - 5/5/2008 10:18:29 PM showPicture("5/5/2008 10:18:29 PM",0,0,0,2799865,70) tess31470
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Status: offline hi i have a mec 600 press and dies for 12 gage and 20 gage i just dont use eny more new bottels for powder and shot some wads also i dont know what the shipping would be i have a box built for it so you can reload enywhere with it also have 7 powder shot bars and 11 powde sizes for the bars in farious sizes i would like 125 for it all ? or best offer ,
1 set of hornady 38/357/357 max new demension titanium nitride dies in great shape in the box used 30 .00 2 ur door ?
e mail me at [email protected] if interested thanks scott pierce 903 445 4137


Original post about the dies came from this forum. I have actively browsed this board for a year as a lurker, and I have spoken with, as well as emailed, a couple of members about items when they have posted their number and email. I personally emailed and then telephoned Scott about the dies from the above post so this was not about a "sale made somewhere else." This board is how I found Scott and the dies.

Nope, sorry, the dies have not arrived and I am not "crying about it here to get his money back....thus getting the dies for free." I have learned in my lifetime that someone always shoots the messenger but I understand your skepticism.

Wayne

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I have similar feelings to Wayne. As a part-time watcher and minimal user of this and other forums, I ultimately have low post counts. That does not make someone "questionable". What I have learned in the short amount of time on the forums, is that whenmyself, as a low poster, lists something to sell, I have to have a great price(I usually try to price itso it does sell)on it or no one seems interested. If I want to buy something there is no problem sellling to me. I do not know Wayne or this Scott fellow either. I do not know who is wrong or right in this situation, but I do know it is not right to think that just because someone has a low post count means that they are dishonest. Maybe they don't have the time that some do to post and "talk". With all that being said, the few times I have sold or bought something on this or any forum or GB or AA, I have had only one bad transaction. That won't deter me, because I still think that are a great many more honest people out there than dishonest. Low post count or not. Thank you. Jim

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I don't know either party. I have no horse in this race. I have spoke with Sott several times about another transaction. It was not consumated or had finallity. The last thing I heard on this matter was that Scott had refunded the purchase price. He was asked to post some tracking or money order numbers or reciepts. There hasn't been anything from Scott since then. If I were Scott and I was true to my word, I would not let this matter die. I woulddefendthesoiling of my name and reputation from this Wayne person. Respond by showing proof that what Scott said really did transpire. Otherwise it makes him look guilty of ripping a guy off for a mere $30.00. That's really low rent. Nuff said! Scott, defend your name!

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I was just stating a possibility that no one else had posted. To this point Scott apparently has a pretty solid track record. At least as far as anyone knows based on this thread, Wayne has no track record. That does not mean he is dishonest, BUT, I guarantee it makes a difference on how people are looked at on these forums.

olcrip is right, Scott now needs to clear things up.

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Anything happen?

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Useually there are 3 sides:
1.yours
2.his
3.and the truth
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I emailed Scott about getting this whole fiasco cleared up. Got no response. He travels a bit, I wonder if he's still taking nourishment or at room temp pushing up daisies?

It's a shame that this hasn't been resolved yet. I guess 24wayne was right! We'll all know better than to deal with tess31470. He'll just come back with another forum name and try again. Just remember, Scott Pierce from Texas is not an honaorable person to deal with, guard your backside!

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Any updates? I for one would like to know. Heck, I think everyone would like to know.

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Still nothing on my end from either phone, mail, or email. Should anything ever arrive by any method I'll let everyone know.

Wayne

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I've done very little selling/buying on this site, a whole bunch of buying/selling/trading on 2 other sites and let me say I am very lucky so far that I have not had any problems at all. I guess if I do enough though that it will probably happen to me. But one thing is for sure. It'll be me getting screwed instead of screwing somebody else. Thats just not who I am.

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Scottsemail address is [email protected] ...he has always come through when we did a deal ...this is just unlike him but just goes to show you never know !


dd

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Not if we block all ofhis knownIP addresses. This is exactly why I demand that in any internettransaction I am involved in uses paypal. That way if one person is cheated they have a way of getting their money back.

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I can't imagine why Scott won't reply to this post.
There seems to be only one person on here who has reported a bad deal with him, but several who have had good dealings with him are now stepping up and calling him a thief. And some who admittedly have no dog in this fight, and no previous dealings with him but also choose to discredit Scott.
Granted, Scott has no way of proving he sent the dies and some cash back to Wayne, but how can anyone be certain of any other persons credibility on the wire?

Take your lumbs and lets move on. Lesson learned by all of us. Track your shipments amd caveat emptor.

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mailto:[email protected]

I have been watching this post for some time now. The e-mail that is posted above has some history with it. I could not and several others could not get a reply from things this person or persons had for sale back a couple of months ago. I'm not judgeing one way or the other. BUTI wouldn't even waste my time with a transaction from either at this point. I have had internet sales on several sites for many years and I always check sources and use PayPal or Money Orders thats it. No questions and no fowl. Just food for thought! I hope things work out but even if the do. NO ONE IS GOING TO HAPPY! Which is the bottom line , MAKE SURE YOU COMMUNCATE with the buyer and seller to eliminate a mess like this?

my 2 cents

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"postal service does not give a tracking num "

yes they do, loool also signature confirmation lool

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did you pay with a USPS money order? heck just the fact that this transaction was done using the postal system,may constiture mail fraud.I don't know for sure but it's just a thought.JIM
FWIW,I have seen the email listed for this dude on another forumfor the same kind of ****

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If there was a money order returned to 24wayne then by golly there is a receipt for the money order. The issuer will also have a record when that money order was cashed and by whom and at what location in the nation. It's time for the bull**** to stop...... Scott did a number on 24wayne, unless he is dead, hedon't have a leg to stand on, HE IS A THEIF...

Scott if your reading this, get off your ass and clear this up or be branded a thief on all forums. Technology travels fast as light...
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No, I did not send a USPS money order but a cashiers check from my bank. I went to the bank and got a copy of it (I am trying to attach the copy of front and back here but it may not work LOL). The check was dated 5/9/08 and made out to Scott Pierce, and it was signed and cashed on 5/14/08 by Teresa Pierce. It came back through my bank on 5/16/08.

Wayne

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Just another crook.

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END OF STORY, SCOTT IS A CROOK !!

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Since Scott's Email address is posted, why not (devious thoughts) everyone send him an email telling him the error of his bad trader ways? Righteous idea?



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wish i had a set becase i wouldgive you the dies i dont reload 357 but have brass i have collected. i did the same thing once. its hard to be auctioneer and courier at the same time so i started logging all sales and shipment recipts.

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bump selling again

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Sorry ti all turned out that way bro. I have bought and sold dozens of rifles, bows, archery gear etc etc never had a problem on this site... well one is kind of becoming apparent now but should have known with dealing with a new member... I have only had one bad expericence and guy didnt even buy from me! :D:);)HAHA that was a good one.

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Wayne I talked with Scott Wednesday night and according to him you HAVE now received the die's ...is that right?

dd

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DD, Is he a personal friend of yours? Seems like you talk to him alot on this subject if its just some random Hnet dude? I hope wayne would update this forum if it is the case he recieved them... Either way this took way to long to resolve. No one will ever want to deal with scott again just based on this forum. if it was an honest mistake I feel for scott because like I said he is forever tainted.

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Cowboy I may be misreading this or reading more into it if so I’ll apologize now but I’m getting that all new members are not to be trusted or are under suspicion until we have so many posts under our belt. I know there are people out there that are out to rip people off but not everyone that is a new member is out to do this. And I’m guessing that at one time that you were even a new member?

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Nitehawk your reading it right. Everyone is going to be careful with new members. That's just the way it is. If your new, you are going to have to provide references or ship first if your dealing with me. Not trying to be a hard ass, I just won't set myself up to be ripped off.

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Colorado: I totally agree with you on being careful and I myself would have no problem with providing references to anyone. I guess I was looking at this from the new member side of it of sort of being guilty till proven innocent view. I would never try to rip off a fellow sportsman. It’s just a shame that there are some that would and not think twice about doing it. But I do see where you guys have legitimate concerns.

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No disrespect to new members... but I did mean you need to be carful with new members with low post counts who are selling items. I have purchased things from guys on here with 1-5 posts with no problem... but when there is a problem it genreally comes from members with low post counts. Im not saying. Im just saying:eek:

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I have received NOTHING from Scott. No dies, no phone call, no email, and no refund. If I had received anything, as I have said before, I would be man enough to have posted the arrival of anything. I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED THE DIES OR A REFUND FROM SCOTT.

DD you seem to get more information that I do. LOL The last time he told you he had sent me a refund via registered mail so it could be tracked. Hmmmm, what happened to that?? That was eight months ago...talk about snail mail....it still hasn't arrived...imagine that.

Again, as I said so many times in the past, he received my money order (previously posted here), cashed it, and kept the money. I did not get what I paid for and obviously never will. It isn't the money, it's the integrity of the whole thing. Scott's dishonest, period.

What I find humorous in the whole thing is that Scott can discuss this with other members but not me....too funny.

Wayne

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Guy's I can't vouch for Scotts character all I can tell you is that I have had two or three deals with him that involved several hundred dollars (me selling to HIM so he had to send me the money BEFORE I sent the item)and he has always fullfilled his end of the deal ..I would not say he and I are "friends" because we have never met but he is on AOL and so am I and occationally we chat via IMs ...I just flat out asked him the other night what had ever become of this transaction and he told me he did wind up sending the dies ...now either he did or he didnt ...the perplexing thing about THIS deal is WHY would EITHER lie about something that involves only $40.00 ...does not add upto me ..Scott has been on this web site for years buying and selling (under a different user ID ..thats how I met him) and to cheat someone on anything much less a set of $40.00 dies is BAD business and he is smart enough to know that I think ...on the other hand you have a guy like Wayne who has been a member here for just a short time but his story rings true to me because it would seem he has nothing to gain by making false accusations .... either way its just not a good situation and I hate to see it happen on here.

dd

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DD you make ALOT of sense Your right its only $40 one of the two guys is full of it and i belive wayne Just based on he is still posting and keeping us updated and the other guy (forget his Screen name) but he hasnt posted in some time defending himself. just my .02.

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to cowboys message ,, i have replyed on here to defend my self and all eny 1 gets back is a bunch of crap from people with smart ass attudes i have done plenty of deals on here and had people defend me that i have done numeres deals with and i thank them i wish it would of never started itnot worth 40 dollors for all this mess bu right is right and rong is rong im not giveing him enymore im done i did my part thanks for your time give it up

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Well, there is one thing I can agree with you on, right it right and wrong is wrong. What exactly are you not giving me? Exactly what part did you do other than cash the check and keep the money?

You never sent me the dies after cashing my bank issued cashiers check, you never sent me a refund, and you lied repeatedly when you told me that you were going to contact me with tracking information. Yes, right is right and wrong is wrong. What you did was wrong.

Your first story to me was that you sent the dies to the wrong person and had to get them back. Then your story on this board was you sent them to me with "extra" in them yet I still didn't get them. Then your story, according to DD during this thread, was that you were sending me a refund via registered mail with tracking information and I never received a thing nor was any tracking information ever provided. If you sent me a refund via registered mail I would gladly track it for you. You then told DD recently that you had sent me the dies. When? I have never received a thing from you. No refund, no dies, and no communication. Yup, right is right and wrong is wrong. What you did was wrong. Somehow though, you manage to discuss this situation with DD but yet cannot be bothered to email me, call me, pm me, or send me a refund or the dies.

When you tell people "give it up" it is you that should just give up the stories and dishonesty. I posted here to let other people know to be wary when dealing with you. Your first initial response to me was callous, rude, and completely outrageous for someone that wants to positively deal with people and sell items that, according to you previously, are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Your remarks here further show your rudeness and that alone would definitely seal the deal on me never buying anything from someone with that attitude. If the attitude is poor usually the dealings are too in my experience.

By the way, the check that I sent to you was for $30 and not $40 and you reaped the profit in its entirety. If you are feeling that you are in a mess it is a mess of your own creation. The money you took from me provided a valuable lesson in dealing on line and hopefully others will also take away some caution from this as well. It's about integrity and honesty Scott. Period. This is easily rectified in my opinion...stand up, be a man, admit that you never sent the dies or a refund. I've heard story after story from you yet nothing that you have told me has been true. Believe me, it was obvious to me after your first post that nothing would ever arrive. I just hope you have learned something about being an honest seller and that when you take advantage of people they will stand up and say something.

Buyers beware...with anyone.

Wayne

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What A Looser..Thanks for the Warning.

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thats exactly what you said before and i have stuck to my side nothing is going to change my mind keep on saying what you want you have that rigt to do that but opions are like asses everyone has 1 and they all stink have a great day and as far a doctor death he just gave his opion on this he has outright ask me and i told him my side he is not takeing sides he did tell me if i didnt send them to send them and if i did he was sorry it is comeing out this way for me i will deal with him or eny body else who want to on here every one can belive what they want i will sleep tonight but ill bet ther will be more post on here thats what you said you were going to do so do what you wish thank for your time and trouble everyone on here and just like old crip he called me four ever and was as frendly as could be then out of the blue started runing his head on here after months of nothing from him that shows you how some people are 2 faced thanks everyone on here who has bough from me or sold to me for you messeges good or bad and mr.dd respects to you just hereing both sides and everone who has spoke about it se ya

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I wonder who is telling the truth? :eek:

Wayne, I know it sucks you lost the 30 dollars but we all learned from it. 30 bucks for us all to learn a very valuble lesson is cheap, you just paid forall of us! I'm glad you took the time to let us all know what happened. Thanks!