let me get this straight... they tried to get him to provide false information regarding a felony manslaughter case? what a pal!

Yep, me too at one time. That doesn't mean jack, especially in the Baltimore/DC area. Point I am getting at, is I guarantee you, you have somewhere did something where it could have been a felony. You didn't get caught. I didn't either.

I keep asking this, and no one will dare answer. Where does the punishment end? Where is the outlet that felones can become useful members of society.

In other words, common sense should prevail here, but obviously it doesn't.

We're not talking about taking your kid's X-Box away because he got a bad grade... "repeat offenders and violent crimes against humanity is the main reasons to be charged with a felony" For the most part they don't get their X-Box back. I do agree with having a system which reviews cases individually and decides if the person should have his rights back. From what I can tell most places do have this system in place, so go see the right people and fill out the right forms and if the Judge sees fit you get your hunting rights back.

BigCountry said:

"I keep asking this, and no one will dare answer. Where does the punishment end? Where is the outlet that felones can become useful members of society.

In other words, common sense should prevail here, but obviously it doesn't."



Here is mydaring reply:

Convicted Felons = Bad People / Criminals

Bad People / Criminals+ Guns = Armed Criminals / Bad People

Armed Criminals / Bad People= NOTHING GOOD!!

or maybe I'm just not seeing it from the criminals perspective??

As for their convictions, I agree with you that they carry the burden of their felony convictionswith themfor the rest of their lives, like the scarlet letter.They are truly branded for life. It is always held against them at job interviews, in looking for a relationship, in looking for housing, and in so many other ways outside of gun ownership. Until we convince the people that are in a position to decide things that it is acceptable to hire a felon to work at a school,daycare, or post office, or for your daughter to bring home the local heroin addict, burglar as a potential husband, to rent anapartment to the local crack dealer, or to show a child'ssoftball team pictures to the local child molester's anonymous group,I fear they may never be treatedas well asthe citizens that chose not to do those things in the first place. So.......sigh....I guess they will continue to be punished long after they are done serving time. I guess thereal problem here is that I dont feel the least bit sorry for them.

Now for my question of common sense:

When do westop being victimizedby them?

Very well put Encorepete. I guess we could make all crimes a non-felony then there would not be any felons.After all, eveyone in prison is innocent, just ask them. While our system is not perfect I think overall it gets the job done. If you are convicted of a felony then that is just too bad, should have though of the results of your actions. I feel out society is way to soft on crime with light sentences, plea bargains, and time for good behavior. If they would have practiced "good behavior" in the first place they would not be in jail.

Pete, your comments are so one sided they are close to be unbeleivable and maybe little embellished(maybe). I know cops, and cops like to embellish there storiesa little. And from Southern WV, the biggest criminals were the ones with badges. I know thats small time crooked, USA.So I am little biased when I hear stories from policemen.Like I said, I know several people that has been in the slammer for growing drugs in Southern WV/Eastern Ky. They got out, some I know are some outstanding Christians that do more for the community than 90%.

You know I used to be like you. I used to think druggies, and drunks was trash, and all should be discarded. I believed this way until 3 years ago. I then helped out a friend thru AA. I attended AA with that friend for support, and met dozens of people that was able to hold a job. Got thier life together. Had a renewed sense of self control. I was impressed. They may be a small number. But you know what, they deserved a chance. And they prove it every day.

We keep saying it over and over, but its not getting thru to you. We are not talking violent criminals, or ones who used a gun or weapon in thier crime.

BigCountry Said:

"Pete, your comments are so one sided they are close to be unbeleivable and maybe little embellished(maybe). I know cops, and cops like to embellish there storiesa little. And from Southern WV, the biggest criminals were the ones with badges. I know thats small time crooked, USA.So I am little biased when I hear stories from policemen.Like I said, I know several people that has been in the slammer for growing drugs in Southern WV/Eastern Ky. They got out, some I know are some outstanding Christians that do more for the community than 90%.

You know I used to be like you. I used to think druggies, and drunks was trash, and all should be discarded. I believed this way until 3 years ago. I then helped out a friend thru AA. I attended AA with that friend for support, and met dozens of people that was able to hold a job. Got thier life together. Had a renewed sense of self control. I was impressed. They may be a small number. But you know what, they deserved a chance. And they prove it every day."

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My friend, I know dozens, if not hundredsof people that hold jobs and have their life together, it's just that few, if any, are convicted felons. Could you pleasepoint out the convicted felons that are doing more for their community than 90% of the rest of us?? I had a hard time locating the"Christian Drug Growers for Community Service" group on the internet. You may be confusing part of their sentence "Community Service" with donated "Community Service". Theydohave the same title, but are not the same thing, lol.

Since you appear to be very knowledgable about criminals and felons from your previously stated experience,I'd like to know where you got your information from so I may use it to help these poor souls in my area that commit crime after crime, after crime.We send them to rehab,rehab, and more rehab. They have their choice of a gaggleof 12 step programs, yet somehow they continue to get arrested. Someone is obviously doing something wrong here (and in the rest of the country) that you are doing right there.

BTW - you are very wrong about my thinking of thesepeople - they are people, I always treat them as such. They are someone's father, brother, mother, sister. I do care about them, I do feel sorry for them. I am saddened to see them return to jail after having been doing so well for a while.Unlike you, I knowwhat theylook like whenthe door clangs shut behind them. I've seen them crying when there was no way out of that cell. Unlike you, I have spoken to and turned away hundreds of their crying mothers at the jail door, begging to see their babies before they get sent off to "God Knows Where" in Prison. Unlike you, I see the children that do get to visit, that have to hold Dad's hand around his handcuffs. Despite all thatexperience with criminals, I've also learned to watch them like a hawk. They will hurt you if you turn your back. It doesnt matter what they there for.I have also seen firsthandthe pain these people cause to victims and their families. Non Violent offenders still have victims and cause pain. These are not the harmless people you make them out to be.

Still, No American being locked up is cause for joy but, .........It is a necessary evil. It's a shame to waste so much of life's time that way. It is, however, a path they choose for themselves. Part of what they lose when they go down that path is their respectability, their reputation, some of their freedom when they go to jail, and some of their rights.

I just dont want the criminals toto have guns, and I'm not the least bit sorry about it.

PS - Thanks for once again taking the high road with the crooked cops comment and your repeated generalizations about the police.Coming from amember of your posting history, I would expect better manners.

I have to appoligize to ya Pete about that. I don't know you or your policies when it comes to violating peoples right. Therefore I shouldn't have said that.

But you have to understand, I grew up in a place where the police protected dog fighting and cock fighting and sold the best pot around. So I am a little salty when it comes to law enforcement. I heard things have changed there, but who knows. I have been thrown up side a patrol car a few times, when I was doing nothing wrong. I have had my friends beaten close to death in So. WV by police for very little reason.

Again, I shouldn't have said that to ya. I realize things are a little different in Northern WV.